Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!usc!rutgers!caip.rutgers.edu!froncio From: froncio@caip.rutgers.edu (Andy Froncioni) Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: Penrose Penrose Penrose Penrose Penrose... Message-ID: Date: 25 Jul 90 19:08:27 GMT Distribution: comp.sys.neural-nets Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 40 djp: Daniel J Pirone ( cocteau@sun.udel.edu ) --------------- djp: Unfortunatly, I am of the school of thought that says, strengthen yourself, djp: by knowing your enemy ( ie. I read perceptrons ... ;-)). djp: So I bought, the Emporers New Mind, but like eveyone else in djp: the Connectionist community, I have way to much to read.... djp: So , ( on to the point ) I read the 1 page review in a recent (?) TIME I think you definitely should make the effort to read the book rather than using a review from, of all places, TIME magazine... djp: I am not sure if it the journalism, or what, but he I got the idea that djp: he was saying the neuron exhibit a quantum leap effect ??? djp: ( an by some "GOD" given magic that only carbon based life forms djp: with egos "understand", silicon objects can't .... ) Again, I think you should read the book. The idea of self-similar systems possibly having an associated "generalised uncertainty principle" is not a totally new idea. In fact, this has been documented in literature concerning turbulence. The point is that there is always a portion of the phase space which is unknown to us, and in a sense, uncertain. djp: This type of stuff is a double edge blade - nice fantacy reading, djp: BUT REALLY BAD PR for our community.... If your "community" requires PR to sustain it, then you should really consider how much substance there is in it. Andy Andy Froncioni "It was a fine idea at the time, froncio@caip.rutgers.edu now it's a briiilliant mistake..." Elvis Costello