Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!snorkelwacker!mintaka!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460!Donald.Breda From: Donald.Breda@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Donald Breda) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: JAWS CURSOR Message-ID: <13057@bunker.UUCP> Date: 23 Jul 90 20:36:04 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Donald.Breda@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA Lines: 83 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 9431 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] WS>> That is one thing I like about jaws, I can press the WS>> jaws cursor, which is similar to review mode, but you can write WS>> in that mode. I can check what I want to set in the setup WS>> menu, and change them without going in and out of review mode. DG> Walter, DG> Sorry for butting in but. I understand the jaws cursor mode DG> and of course review mode. As you know we decided to go with DG> a review mode with Vocal-Eyes. To tell you the truth, the DG> only people I have ever heard say that the jaws approach is DG> better are the people at henter-joyce and people that have DG> been told about the idea but have not used it. Don't get me DG> wrong. I am not nocking the idea at all. However, I would DG> like to hear from you, an actual user. Let me give you my DG> thoughts both pros and cons. DG> I think the idea jaws is convaying about not having to go in DG> and out of review mode doesn't really hold water. It seems to DG> me that you have to constanly switch between jaws cursor and DG> the applications cursor. Why is that different then entering DG> and exiting review mode? They both take the same number of DG> keystrokes. If you are currently using the jaws cursor and you DG> issue a command which moves the applications cursor then it DG> seems you would want to be relative to the new cursor position DG> not where the jaws cursor was last left. Therefore, you would DG> have to either synch the jaws cursor to the applications or DG> return to the applications cursor mode. I must be missing DG> something here. The idea sounds nice but if I stop and think DG> about it, its really no different then review mode. DG> In fact, while listening to the JAWS demo tape, I noticed he DG> was switching back and forth between the jaws cursor and the DG> applications cursor. It was hard to tell he was doing it DG> because of interruptability. DG> One nice thing I believe review mode has is the ability to DG> review the screen without the fear of affecting the underlying DG> applications program. With the JAWS cursor, if you hit a wrong DG> key while you were reviewing the screen, the application would DG> try and act on it. This could cause problems. DG> I am sorry Walter. I did not mean to make this sound as DG> negative as it seems. Also I did not mean to take my DG> frustration out on you. The time and place was right so I DG> thought I would add my two cents. If I am missing something, I DG> would seriously consider placing such a feature in Vocal-Eyes DG> but I really don't think it is any better then review mode. DG> Thanks DG> Doug Hi Doug; Sory but I just had to but in here since there is a point about the JAWS cursor mode which you do seem to be missing.I used to feel the same way about JAWS cursor mode as you have expressed here, but what JAWS says is quite accurate about there JAWS cursor or review mode. The review mode in JAWS is different then that of most speech programs in that you really have two separate and independent cursors. The JAWS review mode is merely another pointer, and is totally independent. This means that if you ead line 2 on the screen with the JAWS cursor, and you turned it off and paid attention too the PC cursor, you could turn on the JAWS cursor 10 screens later and it would still be sitting at line 2. YOu can also route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor or visaversa. It is an independent pointer which can be linked at will but is not necessarily linked. This makes it particularily nice for database work and the like since you can clone databases much more easily by reading the old fieldnames on the screen with the JAWS cursor and still being able to type them in too the new database immediately. Please don't sell it short, vocal eyes would benefit from that feature as would JAWS benefit from some of vocal eyes features. Hope this helps a bit. Don. P.S. I use both programs and like them both very much. Every speech program has it's advantages and disadvantages and some oare better then others for doing certain jobs. ... ABLED, BLINKTALK and Silver in Boston -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!101!460!Donald.Breda Internet: Donald.Breda@f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org