Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!jarthur!usc!apple!snorkelwacker!mintaka!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!396!8.1!Walter.Siren. From: Walter.Siren.@p1.f8.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren ) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: JAWS CURSOR Message-ID: <13058@bunker.UUCP> Date: 23 Jul 90 20:36:17 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Walter.Siren.@p1.f8.n396.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/8.1 - VICE, New Orleans LA Lines: 78 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 9432 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] DG> Sorry for butting in but. I understand the jaws cursor mode and of DG> course review mode. As you know we decided to go with a review mode DG> with Vocal-Eyes. To tell you the truth, the only people I have ever DG> heard say that the jaws approach is better are the people at henter-joyce DG> and people that have been told about the idea but have not used it. Well, Doug, here is one who is using it, and will tell you that I think that it is better. DG> Don't get me wrong. I am not nocking the idea at all. However, I would DG> like to hear from you, an actual user. Ok, you are hearing from me. Of course this is just a friendly discussion. DG> I think the idea jaws is convaying about not having to go in and out of DG> review mode doesn't really hold water. It seems to me that you have to DG> constanly switch between jaws cursor and the applications cursor. Why DG> is that different then entering and exiting review mode? They both take DG> the same number of keystrokes. If you are currently using the jaws cursor DG> and you issue a command which moves the applications cursor then it seems DG> you would want to be relative to the new cursor position not where the DG> jaws cursor was last left. Therefore, you would have to either synch the DG> jaws cursor to the applications or return to the applications cursor mode. No, Doug. The example I was using before in the beginning of this thread, is that the jaws cursor will move in proportion to the pc cursor. When I finished typing in the answer for one question, I would just have to do a say line, and read my next question without changing cursors. DG> I must be missing something here. The idea sounds nice but if I stop DG> and think about it, its really no different then review mode. Well, it is. You would have to get out of review mode, and type in what you want to, and then return back to review mode. DG> In fact, while listening to the JAWS demo tape, I noticed he was switching DG> back and forth between the jaws cursor and the applications cursor. Sometimes I do that from habbit from the old speech systems I use to use. DG> One nice thing I believe review mode has is the ability to review the DG> screen without the fear of affecting the underlying applications program. That is true, but that doesn't bother me. I have never had any problems with that. DG> seems. Also I did not mean to take my frustration out on you. The DG> time and place was right so I thought I would add my two cents. If I am DG> missing something, I would seriously consider placing such a feature in DG> Vocal-Eyes but I really don't think it is any better then review mode. Again I guess that is all a matter of opinion. As I have heard many times, that there is no one speech program with everything. If there is, I haven't found it. Some day maybe I will. As some one told me, I think that your program and jaws probably are going to be the two best programs on the market. I know that we will have disaggreements with that. Doug, I have been reading your tape, however, and I think that you have a good program. I have not started with the demo yet, but I am looking forward to trying it out. I already see features I like, and I will let you know what I think of it when I try it out. Doug, my daughter and I really enjoyed meeting you at the convention, and we enjoyed sitting next to you at the blinktalk supper. Walter -- -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!396!8.1!Walter.Siren. Internet: Walter.Siren.@p1.f8.n396.z1.fidonet.org