Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!gp.govt.nz!zl2tnm!don From: don@zl2tnm.gp.govt.nz (Don Stokes) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: UPS Message-ID: <7TuPm1w162w@zl2tnm.gp.govt.nz> Date: 22 Jul 90 05:01:33 GMT Organization: Me? Organised? Lines: 79 >Subject: UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supplies)... kinda long. >From: shenkin@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin) > >I'm trying to sort through the maze of vendors' claims in order to pick >a UPS to protect a Silicon Graphics Personal Iris (PI). I am hoping that >someone out there more knowledgable than I can help me out. I will summarize >to the above newsgroups. > >Now, I gather there are "on-line" units, and "standby" units; standby units >are cheaper, and also seem to come in lower power ratings. Elgar sells >a 1.5kVA standby unit for $1875, and then jumps to a 3kVA on-line unit >for $6145. A standby unit kicks in only when the power goes down, which >has two implications: (1) there is a time-lag during which you don't have >power. Elgar quotes 4ms for their 1.5kVA unit. (2) you get no (or little) >surge protection and power conditioning from the unit. The on-line units >are, theoretically at least, supplying power all the time, and are said to >give good power conditioning. > >So my FIRST QUESTION is: for the intended use, is this a red herring? I have >been assuming I need an on-line unit, but is a 4ms delay likely to give >problems? (I note that using 60 Hz power, 4 ms is a bit less than 1/4 of >a cycle.) In fact, I probably want a unit with larger capacity anyway, but >the answer to this question would still be good to know, and it comes up >again, just below. The question has to asked: what happens before the battery cuts in, ie how are you going to ride the mess that could well precede power going out altogether. It's also going to depend a lot on the capabilities of the PI's power supply, as it has to handle any spikes and other transients. IMHO, a standby UPS is going to give you the best protection, as there is no "kicking in" cycles involved; the rectifier and inverter are running all the time. It's your inverter that's providing 60Hz power, not the supply -- the supply can do anything it likes; as long as it's there often enough to keep your battery charged you have clean 60Hz power. >So my SECOND QUESTION is whether the ballast route to making a unit "on-line" >as "good" as the inverter-always-on route? That is, perhaps instead of >a two way classification (standby and on-line), we should have a three-way >classification: Maybe; depends a lot on the quality of the unit. It still isn't a true online UPS; what you've got in the "balasted standby" is a power conditioner of sorts with a battery, and must be treated as such. >My THIRD QUESTION is: can you clarify my confusion about UL-544 and low >leakage current? (a) What does it mean, and (b) Do I need it? Probably leakage across the rectifier or inverter, meaning the UPS consumes a little power whether it is under load or not. I don't know. >QUESTION FOUR: why do you care whether or not the UPS turns itself off, once >it's safely brought the machine down? Probably not much of an issue on a small system, but on a big one, once you have pulled power out from under a system, you want to bring it back up again in a controlled fashion. The reason for this is that a startup loads can be *much* higher than normal loads; some devices, eg large disk drives, can pull something like ten times the normal running load. Just loading power supply capacitors can pull surprisingly large currents for a short time. An uncontrolled startup load on the VAXcluster at GPO stands a pretty good chance of tripping the power conditioner out (we don't have a UPS; 100kVA UPSs cost *real* money). >QUESTION FIVE: Do you have personal experience with any of these power >supplies, or with their competitors? If so, I'd appreciate it if you'd share >your experiences, likes, dislikes. Not personally; I have done a lot of talking turkey to UPS and power conditioner salesbeings, and find it *very* handy to have some idea about what you are talking about before starting. It helps the salesbeing a lot if you know what you want too. Remember to take startup loads into account; usually power conditioning gear is rated for normal currents and is capable of standing up to a heavy startup load, but check. Mistakes in this game tend to be expensive! Don Stokes, ZL2TNM / / Home: don@zl2tnm.gp.govt.nz Systems Programmer /GP/ Government Printing Office Work: don@gp.govt.nz __________________/ /__Wellington, New Zealand_____or:_PSI%(5301)47000028::DON