Xref: utzoo rec.boats:4151 sci.physics:13694 sci.electronics:13021 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!oucsace!bwhite From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (Bill White) Newsgroups: rec.boats,sci.physics,sci.electronics Subject: Re: St Elmo's Fire (was Re: Lightning) Keywords: Induction, space charge, capacitance, and bulldrops ? Message-ID: <1584@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> Date: 22 Jul 90 06:34:34 GMT References: <2436@speedy.mcnc.org> <1990Jul19.210925.165@mlb.semi.harris.com> <2438@speedy.mcnc.org> Followup-To: rec.boats Organization: Ohio U, home of the mighty Hocking River! Lines: 51 In article <2438@speedy.mcnc.org> kgreer@mcnc.org.UUCP (Ken Greer) writes: >In article <1990Jul19.210925.165@mlb.semi.harris.com> sjohnson@gumbee.mlb.semi.harris.com (Scott Johnson) writes: >>In article <2436@speedy.mcnc.org> kgreer@mcnc.org.UUCP (Ken Greer) writes: >>>In article <1990Jul18.111525.5749@ioe.lon.ac.uk> teexmmo@ioe.lon.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes: >>>++I know this is the commonly accepted idea behind lightning rods, but as I >>>++learned in my college physics class, lightning rods actually REPEL lightning, >>> Ok, so "knowing" all this, as I understand it to be said, one should be >>>safer standing on the roof next to a lightning rod, instead of somewhere >>>else? Or do I completely miss the point? >>Kim, I think they would tell you that this is a bad idea [....] > My (not quite sarcastic enough) point also. (See question below). > >> and lightning STRIKES lightning rods! >> Thats how they protect a house, they deflect the current! >> Come on guys! > > My only question now to those who *seem* to be saying it deflects >lightning (assuming "deflecting" means away from the lightning rod): > > Would you hold an umbrella (which is a lightning rod connected to > ground by the person holding it) up during a lightning storm? I > think not. Well, I remember an article in some electronics magazine about this subject. It seems that yes, lightning rods can repel lightning, and yes, lightning rods can also attract lightning. It all depends on how well the thing is grounded! The big problem is, many lightning rods are not really well grounded, and as such, what they really do is just pick up the charge that's in the surrounding environment (read: the air). The article then stated that one of the best methods for lightning protection was to erect a grid of metal pipes above a structure, and leave it ungrounded. It seems that the lightning would then avoid the structure completely, as a like charge would be induced in the grid as the first (invisible) stroke occurred. On the other hand, a well-grounded rod (for a really good ground, you should have a bunch of "roots" coming off the ground rod in a star pattern, and salt the whole thing with copper sulfate or equivalent) will tend to attract lightning. Keep in mind that, yes, the difference in resistance can be minimal when the voltages of lightning are considered. But then again, so is the difference in resistance between a flat open plain, and a person standing on that plain. But lightning _will_ find the path of least resistance, no matter how little difference there is from the surrounding terrain. Of course, the best thing to do is just not build in open, high terrain :-) -- | Bill White Internet: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu | | PAUL'S LAW: | | You can't fall off the floor. |