Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!ucsd!pacbell.com!pacbell!hoptoad!hsfmsh!daemon From: tnixon@hsfmsh.UUCP (Toby Nixon) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Want info on Trellis encoding for V.32 Message-ID: <3685@hsfmsh.UUCP> Date: 30 Jul 90 01:54:28 GMT Sender: daemon@hsfmsh.UUCP Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. Norcross, Georgia Lines: 58 In article <1397@wet.UUCP>, Eric P. Scott writes: - What does it do? Do all V.32 modems support it? If not, how - serious is not having it? Trellis coding is a technique whereby additional bits are transmitted with the user data, calculated based on the preceding data, so the that receiving modem can "predict" what at least one of the transmitted bits will be and therefore have a better chance of properly deciding what the received "symbol" actually represents (this is greatly simplified). When trellis coding is enabled in V.32 modems, one can conceive of them as operating at 12,000 bits per second, with one of the bits in each "symbol" (2400 symbols are transmitted per second) being a "coding" bit (so the actual user data throughput is 9600 bit/s). The number of points in the constellation is expanded from 16 to 32 as a result, but at the same time the ability to "anticipate" what the coding bit "ought" to be allows the modem to make a better guess at the subsequent symbols. When V.32 modems were first shipped (it has been a standard size 1984), some did not have trellis coding (in fact, there are some that only support 4800 bit/s). At the present time, however, I would guess that all V.32 modems support trellis coding. It is so ingrained, as a matter of fact, that the new proposed V.32bis standard (which adds 7200, 12000, and 14400 bit/s to the V.32 speeds of 4800 and 9600) mandates trellis coding at all speeds except 4800. The main problem with operating without trellis coding is that you'll experience more line noise. Trellis coding allows the modem to tolerate about 3.5 dB additional signal-to-noise ratio than a modem without trellis coding, at the same bit error rate. That can be quite significant. On some alternative long-distance networks that use tandem ADPCM links (adaptive differential pulse code modulation is a technique for squeezing twice as many calls onto a digital trunk) you'll find that a non-trellis-coded V.32 modem probably won't work AT ALL at 9600, but would be limited to 4800. Operation on ADPCM links (which are common on intercontinental circuits) is one of the reasons the Group 3 Fax standards committees have been anxious to adopt a standard (the proposed V.17 standard) which will add trellis coding to Group 3 fax at 7200 and 9600 (the V.29 standard currently used at those speeds doesn't have trellis coding and won't work well on tandem ADPCM links). Anyway, that's a lot of words to basically advise you that if I were you, I wouldn't even consider buying a V.32 modem without trellis coding! It would interwork with all other V.32 modems, but you'd pay a real performance penalty. -- Toby ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer Fax: +1-404-441-1213 Telex: 6502670805 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. Voice: +1-404-449-8791 CIS: 70271,404 Norcross, Georgia, USA BBS: +1-404-446-6336 MCI: TNIXON Telemail: T.NIXON/HAYES AT&T: !tnixon UUCP: ...!uunet!hayes!tnixon Internet: hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net MHS: C=US / AD=ATTMAIL / PN=TOBY_L_NIXON / DD=TNIXON -----------------------------------------------------------------------------