Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!pawl!kudla From: kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Piracy and Software Message-ID: Date: 31 Jul 90 00:49:36 GMT References: <1990Jul16.221811.7115@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1990Jul16.222043.7094@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <5105@uwm.edu> <1990Jul18.150659.30066@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1990Jul22.074738.22756@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1339@telesci.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 53 In-Reply-To: jpoplaws@telesci.UUCP's message of 30 Jul 90 03:38:33 GMT In <1339@telesci.UUCP> jpoplaws@telesci.UUCP (Joseph E Poplawski) writes: JEP> And what is wrong with the Elite's holding out on games? If JEP> someone wants it that bad, then let them crack it themselves. And that's exactly what I learned to do. Along with helping bust "elite" people. Especially amusing (and fun to see slapped with a fine or lost equipment) were those who actually charged money for their cracked software. I don't have a problem with piracy on the 64 at all. But I was (and am) very, very anti-elite. You don't need to be elite to get new stuff... like everyone else in the world, I had Indoor Sports with the '87 copyright in early to mid '86, Marble Madness months and months ahead of time, etc, etc. (By the way, I haven't pirated anything n the 64 since mid-87 when I moved and left my 64 behind; now that I have a 128, no one I know has an 8-bit anyway and there is too much PD software for me to go through without worrying about "warez".) And whenever I got something from someone who was afraid to give it out because they were afraid they'd lose their source, I stripped the "elite" asshole's titles, credits, greetings, everything relating to him, and distributed it as if it were just a broken original on my board, which was open to anyone who could come up with a broken piece of software no matter how "old" or "lame". I especially pitied those who bragged about their associations with the "elite" crowd. JEP> (EagleSoft) with Gunner, Mitch, MJH, and the rest, I can tell you that JEP> But then again, you may be right about Qlink and the death of the JEP> 64. I would not know I have never even logged onto Qlink... JEP> (never found a need to, I always found what I wanted off of JEP> ESI-HQ) Qlink was cheaper, especially when it became dangerous to phreak and they still had person to person file transfers. But people don't use Qlink to trade Elite Warez (tm) anymore, so far as I can tell. They use it as a real support group. I'm sure those who pirate these days are more prone to use Sneakernet what with all the ten-second disk copiers around these days. As long as I have your attention.... Can you explain to me how a non-conformist, non-kiss-ass institution like teenage software piracy turned into a deal where your average kid had to beg, plead, kiss ass, and often play the scapegoat just to get the attention of one of the nauseous pseudo-hackers? Just curious. -- Robert Jude Kudla But he said, "Leave me alone, I'm a family man And my bark is much worse than my bite..."