Xref: utzoo sci.math:11868 comp.theory:912 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!ubc-cs!fornax!mahajan From: mahajan@fornax.UUCP (Sanjeev Mahajan) Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.theory Subject: Infinite games Keywords: Determinacy, Borel games. Message-ID: <1033@fornax.UUCP> Date: 1 Aug 90 22:35:43 GMT Organization: School of Computing Science, SFU, Burnaby, B.C. Canada Lines: 30 It is known (I forget the reference) that all Borel games are determinate, (that is either their is a winning strategy for player I or there is a winning strategu for the player II) if measurable cardinals exist. In particular it is known than all SIGMA-k games are determinate (this is true indpendent of whether measurable cardinals exist or not). My question is this: Let us, for simplicity, consider only closed games. Then the proof of the theorem runs roughly as follows: Let us assume that for all stratgies for player II there is a strategy for player I, such that the player II doesn't win. Then there is a first move for player I, such that for any strategy of player II after this move there is a strategy of player I such that player II does not win (because if this wasn't so, there would be a winning strategy for player II). One can continue this argument at finite level, and hence prove by induction that there is strategy of player I such that (s)he always has a winning path at a finite level, and as the game is closed this is also a winning strategy for player I. OK, now finally the question :-). Observe that the argument that 'there is a first move ...' is in some vague sense non-constructive. So my question is, is there a constructive version of this theorem, or does the question even make sense. One way of formulating the constructive version would be as follows: if for all computable strategies s of player II, one can uniformly compute, in a recursive index of s, a computable strategy s' of player I such that player II does not win then one can construct (uniformly in an index of the algorithm that computes s' from s) a computable strategy for player I such that for all computable strategies of player II, player I wins. If this statement is not true, can it be modified in some non-trivial way, so that it is true. Sanjeev