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From: terryy%sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Terry Yeung)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: Kfir (Was: Re: F-19 vs. F-117)
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Date: 31 Jul 90 22:38:07 GMT
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From: terryy%sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Terry Yeung)
In article <1990Jul31.022951.19855@cbnews.att.com> you write:
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>>>>>> On 27 Jul 90 01:55:46 GMT, terryy%earthquake.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Terry Yeung) said:
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>Terry> The F-21 is the designation of the Israeli Kfir C-2.  The US Navy
>Terry> and the Marines both borrowed some for aggresser training.  I
>Terry> believe they've returned them by now.
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>Isn't the Kfir C-2 Isreal's Mirage III derivative?  How does this
>compare to other fighters?  If I remember correctly, didn't this have
>drastically improved performance over the Mirage?


Yes, the Kfir C-2 is the Israeli derivative of the Mirage III.  They built it
after the French refused to sell more to Israel.  I'm not sure on what the 
Israelis did to it but I don't believe the airframe was changed too much.  
They did replace the original engines with the engines that was being used in
the A-4 Skyhawk (P&W J79 I think).  As for the improved performance, I don't
know.  The Israelis did have a lot of success with this aircraft.  Wasn't this
aircraft up for sale to other countries?

Anyone know of the status of the F-21?  Has the U.S. returned all of them or
are we going to keep a few for agressor training?  What do our agressor pilots
think of them?


					Terry Yeung
					terryy@ocf.berkeley.edu