Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!sics.se!bula!bjornk From: bjornk@bula.se (Bjorn Knutsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: NoiseTracker V2.0 out! Message-ID: <10129@bula.se> Date: 9 Aug 90 14:05:33 GMT References: Sender: rnews@bula.se Reply-To: Bjorn Knutsson Distribution: comp Organization: Bjorn's Amiga, Sweden Lines: 74 In article ceej@pawl.rpi.edu (Chris J Hillery) writes: [Stuff about sending out 20 illegal copies of NoiseTracker deleted] >Now, I will say this: I did NOT know that SoundTracker was a copyrighted and >commercial product, and in fact I still don't know this. NoiseTracker never Well, I can agree that you may not be sure that this is the case, but you HAVE been told, and you have obviously not stopped distributing copies yet. Now, that makes you a pirate in my book. >claimed to be anything other than a derivative of SoundTracker (and, indeed, >later versions of SoundTracker claim to be based on some versions of Noise- >Tracker; it's all pretty confusing), and the docs I got with SoundTracker 2.5 >say right out "This is based on MasterSoundTracker V1.0 by TIP/PROPHETS and >mainly on Soundtracker V2.2 by Unknown/D.O.C". I don't know if there's some >copyright violation buried in here somewhere or not; the impression I always Yes, there most certainly is, since the original SoundTracker is a commercial product written by Karsten Obarski. I have seen the original. And while these hacked up version may be a lot better, they are still illegaly modified versions of his original program. Furthermore, the program you are distributing, NoiseTracker 2.0, is a ripped off beta of a commercial re-release of SoundTracker. Most likely the authors of NoiseTracker have worked out some kind of deal with the original author of SoundTracker. Anyway, NT 2.0 will, according to my sources (and I don't work for a magazin for nothing) be released as a commercial product RSN. As for this crap about "This is based on by ", I have read similar notes in the documentation for something called "MasterSeka" and other illegal versions of the (in crackergroups) popular assembler K-Seka. Now, I know that K-Seka is a commercial product too, since I have seen the original of that too. What I'd like to know is: If I steal Marco's "ATalk III", hack it up a little and call it "MasterATalk", does this make it OK for me to distribute for free? Is that OK with you Marco? (Hey! You know I wouldn't pull a stunt like that, put that shotgun away... :-) >got was that some cracker out there wrote a demo-maker program and a bunch of >other crackers got ahold of it and improved on it. Whether or not the authors >were pirates of any kind (let's face it, this was originally at least designed >to compose music for group "demos" and crack screens) has nothing to do with >this PROGRAM being pirated. So, until I hear some evidence of this being an >illegal program, I'll keep sending to folk; keep on asking! I'd like to get >this program around so people will write some good music for the Amiga (and >if they do, I'd like to get a copy!). Great. Then see to it that you become the North American distributor and sell the original instead of ripping off the author. >(Please note that I do, truly, say this in all innocence; if someone out there >can show me that this isn't distributable, maybe even someone connected with >any original version, please DO let me know and I will, of course, stop >sending it out.) No you're not innocent. You would be if you had stopped distributing it the moment you heard that it might not be a freely distributable program. But now you're just another pirate. >Enjoy all! > > >-- > //..is|While 1 DO|Erin,Erin,where are|Art of Noise space| -- Ceej (= >\X/there| Fork; |you? /-----------.-^------------------|ceej@pawl.rpi.edu >AMIGAany|----------^-----|Cebhq gb or|Reclaimer:Hey!That's| gmry@mts.rpi.edu >(=other?|HOW DO YOU FEEL.|Yvoreny! (=|mine! Bring it back!|aka Chris Hillery --- Bjorn Knutsson / USENET: bjornk@bula.se or sunic!sics!bula!bjornk Stangholmsbacken 44 / Phone : +46-8-710 7223 S-127 40 SKARHOLMEN / "Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the S W E D E N / blink again." -- Marvin The Paranoid Android