Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!ceej From: ceej@pawl.rpi.edu (Chris J Hillery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: NoiseTracker V2.0 out! Message-ID: <&A#%%`%@rpi.edu> Date: 11 Aug 90 12:18:31 GMT References: <10129@bula.se> Distribution: comp Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 97 Well, I made my retraction once, and apparently it bounced. Apologies if somehow some of you are seeing this twice, but it's important that this get out. If you are seeing this for the second time now, go ahead and hit N since I'm just retyping what I remember entering before; however, if you could, hit "r" first and let me know that it did hit the net twice. I don't think the first one made it. Due to pressure, I am forced to retract my offer to send a copy of NoiseTracker 2.0 to anyone who wants it. I do this because doubts have been raised as to whether this program is, in fact, legally redistributable, both because of rather hazy origins and due to it possibly being released as a commercial venture soon. Whether this is accurate, or it a commercial effort will be made to sell this in America, is not known. I am not taking back this offer because I tired of sending out the copies; indeed, I was very much enjoying meeting and talking to new people and mailing this program, and had hopes of creating a mailing list for the acquirement and distribution of sound modules for NoiseTracker. (I may still do this; certainly the modules aren't copyrighted, and one can still use IntuiTracker to play them.) To all those who wrote me: stay in touch! If anyone can come up with some evidence that I can legally distribute this program, please do so and I will gladly resume mailings. Now, I must take a moment and respond to the person who informed me of this. bjornk@bula.se (Bjorn Knutsson) writes: >Well, I can agree that you may not be sure that this is the case, but >you HAVE been told, and you have obviously not stopped distributing >copies yet. Now, that makes you a pirate in my book. >As for this crap about "This is based on by ", I >have read similar notes in the documentation for something called >"MasterSeka" and other illegal versions of the (in crackergroups) >popular assembler K-Seka. Now, I know that K-Seka is a commercial >product too, since I have seen the original of that too. >What I'd like to know is: If I steal Marco's "ATalk III", hack it up a >little and call it "MasterATalk", does this make it OK for me to >distribute for free? Is that OK with you Marco? >see to it that you become the North American distributor >and sell the original instead of ripping off the author. >No you're not innocent. You would be if you had stopped distributing >it the moment you heard that it might not be a freely distributable >program. But now you're just another pirate. >--- >Bjorn Knutsson / USENET: bjornk@bula.se or sunic!sics!bula!bjornk >Stangholmsbacken 44 / Phone : +46-8-710 7223 >S-127 40 SKARHOLMEN / "Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the >S W E D E N / blink again." -- Marvin The Paranoid Android I am very, very upset by this response. The tone and insult of this letter were unneeded; sarcasm and name-calling were unneccesary; and indicating that I deliberately and knowledgably broke any laws was not called for. I did indeed decide to continue mailng NoiseTracker after having once been told that it might _possibly_ (and I emphasize that; the distinct impression I got from reading Knutsson's first posting was that he was relating a story he'd heard, not that what he was saying was, to him, factual, regardless of whether that was how he intended it) have been based on a previous commercial product as I had only this one opinion to go on (indeed, I still only have this one say-so) and had had no reason at all to suspect previously that it was anything other than freely distributable; indeed, everything I had available pointed to it being exactly that, ie. references in the doc files and it's previous availability from FTP sites. (Indeed again, this program itself originated from an FTP site.) In his second posting, he at least provided some backing for his claim and indicated that it could be an upcoming product. Fine, so to be safe, I will stop distributing. But it pains me to think that such unkindness to achieve a point is still considered to be effective and necessary in today's world. I think it was and is apparent to most outside observers that I was not trying to undermine the author's creative rights but merely to get around what I feel to be an innovative and useful product. Enough rebuttal. Please don't bother to flame me for this response. Not only do I not want to hear it as I am writing this in anger, but I'm not going to bother to read in this subject again anyway so I won't see it. -- //..is|While 1 DO|Erin,Erin,where are|Art of Noise space| -- Ceej (= \X/there| Fork; |you? /-----------.-^------------------|ceej@pawl.rpi.edu AMIGAany|----------^-----|Cebhq gb or|Reclaimer:Hey!That's| gmry@mts.rpi.edu (=other?|HOW DO YOU FEEL.|Yvoreny! (=|mine! Bring it back!|aka Chris Hillery