Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!snorkelwacker!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: Apollo X server - next release Keywords: Apollo X shared mode X11R4 SR10.3 Message-ID: <1990Aug11.153706.22322@alphalpha.com> Date: 11 Aug 90 15:37:06 GMT References: <12761@june.cs.washington.edu> Organization: asi Lines: 65 In article <12761@june.cs.washington.edu> schneidr@cs.washington.edu (Scott Schneider) writes: >1. Will the next release of the Apollo X server support > shared mode? > >2. What is the next release of the Apollo X server? Is > it the X11R4 server? Okay, I'm going to make trouble here. According to the rumour mill, the next major release of the X server will be X11R4 at SR11. It will not be share mode. I also understand that HP VUE 2.0 (which, mind you, has very little if nothing to do with HP VUE 1.0, the former being an HP product, the latter Apollo) will run *only* under X11R4. The implication of this is that if you would like to run the DM, you'll have to run old R3, and if you like the features of HP VUE 1.0 which aren't in HP VUE 2.0 you'll have to run old R3. Anyone from Apollo care to refute this? Personally, I'm not affected - I run X-only. However it seems to me that this royally @#$@# the existing customer base. I don't *know* the reason for this, but I suspect it has something to do with attrition and burnout in the Apollo graphics group (the former PE for share-mode X was last seen playing his fiddle in Harvard Square and serving ice cream at a well known Cambridge ice cream store - I kid you not; I understand he's a lot happier now). Obviously HP's graphics groups aren't going to do a share-mode server, so I suspect that R4-share-mode is in limbo. I'd love to see this denied. If someone can, please do. Another note. Some of you would no doubt like to see DM features added to X as a long term migration path. This might include a DM-like editor, DM style editing functions in the Korn shell, DM window manager functions added to the Motif window manager. These things are all eminently doable. However the groups that would do those are not technically part of Apollo anymore - they report to Colorado. And frankly I think HP-proper could care less. I know there is desire to do these things at Apollo - I think that they'd be a really good idea, especially if the resulting programs were fed back to OSF and the X-Consortium, or even released on the net. The DM had some good ideas, the shouldn't end up in a waste bin somewhere. But in any case, I seriously doubt that the resources will be allocated unless the customer base applys serious pressure on HP. >3. What happens at SR10.3? Is there still Shared-mode? Yes. >What would be real nice is to have an Apollo X11R4 server >that supports shared-mode (for those people who need the >DM availability) but also runs ***really*** fast in X-only >mode. Am I dreaming? I could be wrong, but at this point I don't think there can be any great difference in speed between share-mode and borrow-mode. -kee -- Alphalpha Software, Inc. | motif-request@alphalpha.com nazgul@alphalpha.com |----------------------------------- 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | Proline BBS: 617/641-3722 I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.