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From: hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu)
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Subject: Re: Need help with ICD Utils
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Date: 8 Aug 90 02:35:13 GMT
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In article <5440127@hplsla.HP.COM> andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) writes:
>You know, there's probably a real good reason that HDUTIL.PRG asks for the
>master disk! ICDUTILS are NOT in the public-domain, they are NOT shareware, 
>they ARE copyrighted software that you are supposed to pay for.
>
>I've said it here many times before, ICD has strict wording in their 
>documentation that their software may not be placed on BBS nor may it 
>be transferred from person to person, even if both parties are registered
>users. The only legal way to get the software is from ICD (by mail, or 
>their BBS) or on GEnie. Period. Any other way is illegal. Period. So, no,
>there is no legal way anyone can mail you a newer version that works. 
>
>It sounds to me like ICD finally wised up and realized that just saying this
>wasn't enough, and now they've added some measures to protect against
>pirating. Three cheers for them if that's the case.
>
>Now, what the heck are ICDUTILS doing on Terminator?
>
>ps. Please direct junior-lawyer legal opinions to /dev/null. They won't do
>any good if ICD sics a real lawyer on the Terminator folks.

I understand your concern, and was pretty concerned myself upon reading this
article. I just checked the copy of ICDUTILS we have on terminator. This is
the beginning of the READ.ME file included in the archive:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


READ.ME     8/12/87


This file documents the ICD ST Hard Drive Utilities.  These utilities are
packaged with all ST Hard Drive Systems and ST Host Adapters sold by ICD.  They
are all Copyright (C) 1987 ICD, Inc., however, you are free to use and
distribute these utilities as long as:

        1) They are not sold or included with any other product unless an
           ICD Host Adapter is part of that product.
        2) They are not modified in any way.
        3) ICD is given credit for authorship of these files.
        4) This documentation is included.

*  Any company wishing to include these utilities with their products
   must first obtain a license from ICD, Inc. or they will be in violation of
   Federal and/or International Copyright Laws.  Licensed will display the
   license registration number.


If you have any questions:

        ICD, Inc.
        1220 Rock Street
        Rockford, IL  61101

        Voice:  815-968-2228
        Modem:  815-968-2229
        FAX:    815-968-6888
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
[remainder omitted  -- hyc]

This is obviously very old software here. It also seems to me to be quite
explicit in stating that it is freely distributable. ICD's policy may have
changed since then, but no one has notified us. No one has posted any
messages on any nets I read to the effect of "please remove your old copies
of our software from your archive" either, so I think this is still OK.

I wouldn't trust it worth a damn, but I don't think there's any problem with
distributing it.
--
  -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan
  one million data bits stored on a chip, one million bits per chip
	if one of those data bits happens to flip,
		one million data bits stored on the chip...