Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!archimedes.math.uwm.edu!jgreco From: jgreco@archimedes.math.uwm.edu (Joe Greco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Message-ID: <5634@uwm.edu> Date: 8 Aug 90 22:22:06 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics Lines: 61 In comp.sys.cbm article <25190.26bea204@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, petrino@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote: :> Then why is it illegal in the first place? It would seem to me that the law :> is basically the common will of the people - it would make no sense to have :> a law that the people did not want. : : Not all laws make sense, and not all laws make sense to all people. : Laws, in THEORY stem from the common will of the people. In practice, : though, they stem from the will of a select group of people. You have yet to explain to me how this makes piracy ethically and morally "the right thing to do"? :> :I do sympathize with your plight. But, I don't feel the Software :> :industry has been crippled by pirates, and, since no machine/system :> :is completely secure, I haven't seen many professional software creators :> :giving up the biz' because there are too many pirates out there. :> :This is not to be misconstrued as a justification/rationalization :> :for software piracy! Illegal is illegal. :> :> You sound wishy-washy on this point...? : : Not at all, Piracy is illegal. But, you have "Joes Code" & I have :"Jacks Code". Jacks code says piracy is ok, illegal <> don't do. Just :don't cry if you get caught. (like with speeding/illegal parking etc.) Which of course is a point that we will probably never agree on. :> :BTW...I'm a programmer also, but for slightly bigger machines :) :> :> Define slightly bigger. A VAX-8650 running VMS? :> :> Sorry, I just had to. ;-) : : Yes, very soon to be a VAX 9000. (controllers already in place, : actual unit will be here in less than 2 weeks) : We also have an Amdahl 5890-300e running VM/XA 2.0, MVS/XA 2.2.3,& : MVS/SP 1.3.5. and an IBM 3081 KX3 running VM/XA 2.0 & VM/SP5. : [Though I don't claim them as my own :)] Sorry, I'm disillusioned about VAXen. I don't like them. Perhaps if UWM had a decent VAX, I'd think otherwise. : Do you have an 8650 there? What version of VMS are they running? No. Top VAX we got is an 11/780 (ich, pooh, don't say it). And we're mainly a UNIX site. There's an old Sperry and I believe a MicroVAX running VMS somewhere around here, but everything else is UNIX. Lately our computing services dept has purchased a Convex C220... and math dept now has an IBM RS/6000. We'll never make everyone happy, it seems. :-( ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics jgreco@archimedes.math.uwm.edu USnail: Joe Greco Voice: 414/321-6184 9905 W. Montana Ave. Data: 414/321-9287 (Happy Hacker's BBS) West Allis, WI 53227-3329 #include Disclaimer: I don't speak for the Math Department, the University, or myself.