Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!camex!circus!kent From: kent@circus.camex.com (Kent Borg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: ResEdit 2.* Message-ID: <1464@camex.COM> Date: 7 Aug 90 00:34:01 GMT References: <1990Aug5.182816.13453@portia.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@Camex.COM Reply-To: kent@camex.com (Kent Borg) Organization: Camex Inc., Boston, MA Lines: 90 In article <1990Aug5.182816.13453@portia.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes: >dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >>draphsor@portia.stanford.edu writes: >>>markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: >>>> Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder >>>> 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. ... >>ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >>of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >>mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >>MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) > >I hadn't realized this. Thank you for clarifying this fact. Please >withdraw my request for ResEdit 2.*. > >As for MultiFinder, it being system software I'd imagine that it *is* >free. Anyone with any information to the contrary, please let me know. Well, "free" isn't precise enough to be very meaningful. For you, as an individual, they are both rather "free". In all cases Apple is *very* protective about their copyrights. They will make it very clear to anyone who asks that they own the system software, they own ResEdit. These programs are not public domain. Apple distributes these (and other) programs very carefully to preserve their clear ownership. All organizations which want to distribute them must first be licensed by Apple. This is not very expensive, but it must be done. Apple does not seem to insist that individuals are subject to the same restrictions on system software. I have never heard of Apple getting upset with an individual who casually gives someone a copy of ResEdit or MultiFinder. They have left this as foggy as their lawyers will allow. If we force them to answer officially, they will likely say no, otherwise they seem to say "ok". They really *want* us to have up to date system software. The point is to remember that there are three different categories of Apple software: 1) System Software, ResEdit, HyperCard upgrades etc. These are designed to support the Macintosh, Apple pays for them by charging a lot for the computer itself. Apple's primary concern in controlling distribution is to preserve control and copyright ownership. If you look around you can find these for free. 2) Commercial products. These are AppleShare, MacTerminal, InterPol, etc. These are not to be given away. They are designed to be sold by Apple at a profit. Apple wants to make money on these, you have to pay for them. 3) Confidential software. This *cannot* be distributed or bought. Obviously this is QuickDraw source code, etc. Get caught with it and Apple will do their best to send you to jail. This also includes super-secret copies of AppleMail or new QuickDraw seeded to only a couple developers, this includes much less secret beta copies of HyperCard 2.0, this includes still less secret copies of System 7.0 alpha. None of these may be distributed outside of Apple's constraints. Most of these cannot even be *talked* about. (May System 7.0 alpha is a rare exception.) There are foggy items: MultiFinder 6.1b9 and HyperCard for those who bought their Macs before HyperCard was bundled. 6.1b9 is slightly in group 3, but now it is on the developer CD, maybe ftp, etc. Apple is clearly only interested in keeping it from being so widespread that people think it is released. Another foggy item is HyperCard for earlier Mac purchasers might be in category 3. Apple might think they should buy it. I did. So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to have ResEdit. Don't, however, go put it on your mail server without an Apple license, and don't post it to the open net (Which has not signed a license--who would you hand the pen to?), but go ahead an crash your disk with it. Clear? (I do work for Apple. I do not speak for Apple. I post this from what I have gleaned by watching Apple and reading MacLeak. I have violated no nondisclosure agreements in writing the above. Please correct me if I made any errors about QuickDraw and AppleMail.) Kent Borg internet: kent@camex.com MacNet: kentborg AOL: kent borg H:(617) 776-6899 W:(617) 426-3577 "Congress was about to scuttle our defense department ... Could our military industrial complex be backing Iraq?" - my mother, 8-4-90