Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: cms@dragon.uucp Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Mary's Virginity & Jesus's Siblings Message-ID: Date: 8 Aug 90 07:48:03 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited Lines: 38 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , jow@pacbell.com (Jeff Westman) writes: > In article jhpb@granjon.garage.att.com writes: > > The passages in St. Paul that say "all have sinned" deal with the > > universality of the original sin, not personal sin. Obviously, since > > the babies of his time were not guilty of any personal sin, since they > > had not the use of reason yet. So the only sense in which they could be > > said to have sinned is through Adam, via the original sin. > > Joe, where do you get this?! I do not see how you can say that "all have > sinned" does not apply to personal sin. What about 1 Jn 1:10, "If we say we > have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." We might as > well throw out 95% of our Bibles then. At great risk and with a bit of trepidation :-), I respond that Vatican II asserts that Mary was conceived without original sin; hence, it is possible that Mary could have sinned, while remaining the Immaculate Conception. However, since Mary was "full of grace," or "highly favored," and then responded "be it unto me according to your word," thus hearing the word of God and keeping it (making her blessed), it seems reasonable, in this sense, to assert that she was sinless after this point as well by virtue of her conception of Jesus Christ. Since the Lord was with her, she raised Jesus without sinning, presumably. She followed Jesus as one of his disciples (at Cana, for example), and stood before him under his Cross, with the beloved disciple, when most of the disciples had fled and feared to draw near. > Jeff -- Sincerely, Cindy Smith _///_ // SPAWN OF A JEWISH _///_ // _///_ // <`)= _<< CARPENTER _///_ //<`)= _<< <`)= _<< _///_ // \\\ \\ \\ _\\\_ <`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ <`)= _<< >IXOYE=('> \\\ \\ \\\ \\_///_ // // /// _///_ // _///_ // emory!dragon!cms <`)= _<< _///_ // <`)= _<< <`)= _<< \\\ \\<`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ GO AGAINST THE FLOW! \\\ \\ A Real Live Catholic in Georgia