Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: frog!jp@harvard.harvard.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: The Mormon Religion Message-ID: Date: 12 Aug 90 09:02:20 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Charles River Data Systems Lines: 47 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article cms@dragon.uucp writes: > >******* begin quote ******* > >10. "Christ was the God, the Father of all things...Behold, I am Jesus >Christ. >I am the Father and the Son" (Mosiah 7:27 and Ether 3:14, Book of Mormon). The versus listed here, sound in the manner presented as misleading, considering the rest of Mormon doctrine. In this fashion the BoM would be stating, essentially, what other Christians have been stating since the four councils of the Constantine/Augustus era, that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one. If the entire versus are shown the meaning changes: Mosiah 7:27 "And because he said unto them that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; or in other words, he said that man was created after the image of God, and that God should come down among the children of men, and take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth --" Ether 3:14 "Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters." These two versus talk about Jesus Christ, and those who follow him will become his "sons and daughters", but this does not talk about God the Father, the "Almighty", who is our Father whether we accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ or not. God the Father, created us spiritually, and he created Jesus our spiritual brother, our earthly parents gave us a body and Jesus saved us from death and gave us a new life, thus in that sense he our eternal brother through God the Father, and our Father through the salvation from the physical death. >(Brigham Young, in the Journal of >Discourses, Vol. 1, p. 50). The Journal of Discourses is not and has not ever been accepted as LDS doctrine, further, just because an apostle or prophet says something does not make it doctrine, for it up to the membership of the church to pray about the "revelation" for the truthfulness of it, before we can sustain it as doctrine.