Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!aerospace.aero.org!abbott From: abbott@aerospace.aero.org Newsgroups: trial.misc.legal.software Subject: Intellectual Property (was Re: Patents (was Re: Copyrights)) Message-ID: <80414@aerospace.AERO.ORG> Date: 8 Aug 90 16:23:30 GMT Sender: news@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: abbott@aerospace.aero.org () Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 72 Brad Templeton writes: | Property ownership is a fundamental principle in our society, though some | may disagree with it. ... | But if you *do* | believe in property, then I argue that intellectual property is the truest | form of property there can be. The relationship between myself and my | real estate is a virtual one created by society and law. The relationship | between myself and my software is a real one that exists outside of society. | Society could crumble and my land would not be my land, but my thoughts would | still be mine. It seems to me that the legal ownership relation is a legal fiction no matter what is owned. So I don't buy this argument. (I think the distinction you are making is between legal ownership and something like personal investment. One could put a lot of work into, say, a garden in a public park and feel a sense of proprietorship over the garden, but that is not the same as legal ownership.) More importantly, I would argue against the notion of intellectual property at all. Although one can make laws that attempt to ascribe ownership to ideas, it is hard for me to understand that concept in the abstract: (1) If ideas can be owned, then what is the distinction usually made in patent circles between an idea that expresses a law of nature (presumably not patentable) and any other kind of idea? Can one really draw such a line? Any idea that can be realized in a physical device seems like a law of nature--at least in a very specific way. (2) Even if one wanted to assign ownership rights to an idea, how could it be done? It doesn't make sense to attempt to collect royalties every time someone thinks your idea. (Similarly it doesn't make sense to attempt to collect royalties every time someone hums a copyrighted song.) (3) If some ideas can be protected, why not all ideas? What about political analyses, economic theories, frameworks for literary or artistic criticism, management strategies (e.g., just-in-time inventories), etc. Don't the creators of those ideas deserve to benefit from their creations as much as the creators of other ideas? One argument for intellectual property rights is that without them innovation would fail to flourish. But we know this is not so. Look at science in general which has done quite well without much protection, and software in particular, which has also. One reason for this success without protection is that people like to invent whether or not their inventions make them wealthy. Generally, though, creators of ideas do benefit from their work. They gain recognition and develop a reputation. They are more in demand as a result of past good work. Most people find such recognition and the financial and emotional rewards that accompany it sufficiently motivating. The primary economic argument in favor of protecting intellectual property seems to be the apparent need to encourage capital investment in its development. Would a drug company spend the millions of dollars required to find a new drug if it couldn't protect the fruits of its investment? If you look at the software industry the answer appears to be "yes." The pressure to keep ahead of the competition forces such development whether or not it can be protected. On the other hand, I do believe that one should be able to protect one's (physical) creations. But that protection can be done contractually. One can refuse to sell a copy of one's software unless the buyer agrees not to copy it for a third party. This sort of protection leads into many difficult issues, but I would hope that the notion of intellectual property could be avoided. -- Russ Abbott