Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!wuarchive!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: pays@mars.emse.fr (Paul-Andre Pays) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400 Subject: re: printable format Message-ID: <9008151346.AA05289@mars.emse.fr> Date: 15 Aug 90 13:49:42 GMT Lines: 66 Approved: usenet@ICS.UCI.EDU X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 15 Aug 90 15:47:30+0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=emse/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 15 Aug 90 15:46:59+0200 Thanks to Jacob for the results of this human factors study... This is inline with my own experience managing a somehow representative set of users. 1. An X.400 ('84) ORname is not a user friendly and easy "name" for a remote user (or mailbox) as a snail mail address it is an address and as such made of a set of attributes and not a "one string" name 2. We have to distinguish different purposes . to be able to exchange ORnames via printed media . to be able to enter an ORname into some computer based application (better a local -personal or shared- alias system than directly when composing mail -- though both should be availble) . to be able to compose mail quite easily and quickly . to be able to remember easily some form of a name for our most common recipients 3. the ";=" (keyworded form) seems perfectly suited for ORname exchange and I am pleased with its "business card" purpose.. for the user interface there could and probably should be several different input "forms". One of them is certainly the fill-in form already mentioned by Huitema and available with many products; another one useful is for the software to accept as an input a blind "retyping" of the ";=" business card form (assuming that a common strict syntax is accepted and used); there could perfectly be one or more other forms which are more inline with the overall user interface either of the mail-system or the specific Operating sytem or shell the user "task" to translate the business form into a fill in form using the same labels (keywords) is easy for any user even novice, and besides presents the advantage to make these users painlessly aware of what they are doing As stated above, it appears that the right approach is to limit the use of whatever form of these addresses to the strict minimum. i.e. the software should allow to normaly use names instead of these addresses. Thus, in my opinion, any acceptable mail system and user interface should present the ability (and encourage the use) of aliases... either strictly personal or shared or any combination. These aliases should be short enough though remaining significant enough and easy to remember. 4. X.500 directory services X.500 is not as such a solution to the previous problem: a Directory name -- though a name is still a set of attributes and not a string. a DName is structured and long even if the attributes are expected to be more "natural" than those in the ORaddress. The DS will allow queries and search using partial information, it will not provide a universal one-string short and easy name. Of course a specific X.500 implementation may be combined with an alias mechanism of the type presented before, but this will be an implementation and management matter Well, while still waiting for the common acceptance of a printable form of ORnames (mainly for business card and additionaly for an optional input form for user interfaces) I maintain that printable "ORnames" and user interfaces are really completely different though related issues. probably RFC-822 which used only one form was easier but is too limited and misleading. regards, -- PAP