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From: wjw@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Apollo X server - next release
Keywords: Apollo X shared mode X11R4 SR10.3
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Date: 13 Aug 90 08:32:58 GMT
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In article <1990Aug11.153706.22322@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes:
>In article <12761@june.cs.washington.edu> schneidr@cs.washington.edu (Scott Schneider) writes:
>>1. Will the next release of the Apollo X server support
>>   shared mode?
>>
>>2. What is the next release of the Apollo X server?  Is
>>   it the X11R4 server?
>
>Okay, I'm going to make trouble here.
>
>According to the rumour mill, the next major release of the X server
>will be X11R4 at SR11.  It will not be share mode.  I also understand
>that HP VUE 2.0 (which, mind you, has very little if nothing to do
>with HP VUE 1.0, the former being an HP product, the latter Apollo) will
>run *only* under X11R4.  The implication of this is that if you would
>like to run the DM, you'll have to run old R3, and if you like the features
>of HP VUE 1.0 which aren't in HP VUE 2.0 you'll have to run old R3.  Anyone
>from Apollo care to refute this?
>
>Personally, I'm not affected - I run X-only.  

Well we ARE, and my guess is that a lot of others are too.
We're running several sets of VLSI-design tools, and most of them are using
Domain/DM calls to get things done.
Now at 10.2/R3 it's possible to satisfy both types of people, those running
the tools. (We've paid a lot of money for them) But then there's this
army of people wanting to use X-tools, the've tried to learn the 'standard'
on UniX. And now this again gets meshed up. Unless all (VLSI-design) tools
would change to using X, which would not be a trivial conversion.
I know one package which promisses to do so, in new future will Parcplace's
Smalltalk run X. I don't know if it's going to require R4. But still if
there's an update of some software you'd like to update too, wouldn't you.

The worst I could forsee is that Dm and X are going to stay separate, and
that R3 is going to be the last shared-mode version. So you'll be either
running X or Dm in their newest release, or you'll get stuck at some old
release to be able to run both.

Let's hope it's not true!

	Willem Jan Withagen.

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