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From: john@nmt.edu (John Shipman)
Newsgroups: rec.birds,news.groups
Subject: Re: CALL FOR DISCUSSION: REC.PETS, REC.BIRDS division.
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Date: 17 Aug 90 17:48:30 GMT
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Martin Geleynse (geleynse@hppad.HP.COM) writes:
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| I have been a birder for almost 20 years, and generally
| find birders to be the least TOLERANT, most SELF-RIGHTEOUS
| people I know (as a group -  there are always individual
| exceptions)....
|
| Why don't we just grow up and go back to reading about BIRDS.
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I feel that these two sentences are working at cross
purposes.  First you insult a large group of people, which
is bound to cause friction.  Then you suggest that we not
discuss such friction.

Here is the original charter of this group (from the latest
listing of active newsgroups in news.announce.newusers):

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| rec.birds     Hobbyists interested in bird watching.
+--

So long as cagebird fanciers continue to violate this
charter, there will be friction.

The purpose of the CALL FOR DISCUSSION is to frame the
wording of a CALL FOR VOTES, not actually to vote.  Posted
opinions about whether or not to split the group are
premature; this period should be spent discussing the
alternatives.  In my opinion, the discussion is pretty well
framed by now; let's let the voters decide.
-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, NM/john@jupiter.nmt.edu
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber