Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!dali.cs.montana.edu!milton!apple!well.sf.ca.us!well!on@uunet.UU.NET From: apple!well.sf.ca.us!well!on@uunet.UU.NET (Owen Rowley) Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds Subject: Re: "Space" -- apology and clarification Message-ID: <19539@well.sf.ca.us> Date: 14 Aug 90 18:12:40 GMT References: <9007250107.AA01311@hitl.vrnet.washington.edu> Sender: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu Lines: 38 Approved: hitl@hardy.u.washington.edu > > TIME is just another space, one that we have forgotten how to travel > > freely in. > 1. I cannot but interpret this to mean that humans have had the ability to > journey through time. This to me is not a justifiable scientific statement. > Will is, I think, being a bit overzealous here. From my (limited) readings, > I am given to understand that the effects of various drugs on the time > sense, plus the apparently-different time sense of some aboriginal people, > is taken as evidence that we (homo sapiens) have the biochemical ability to > perceive time in a way different than we do now. This difference may be > evolutionary or cultural. In any event, one ought not to take "time travel" > too literally in this context. < If folks don't know who said what, they'l have to do some time travelling and go back to read the originals :-) > Hmmmm. well I interpret Williams statement in a somewhat different light. The key word for me is freely.. We are traveling in time/space now, but we are constrained by the light cone. You are asserting that all we can modify is our perception of conditions within the light cone. I have personally performed experiments which took place *outside* the light cone, and the results were definitly "time travel" in the literal sense. Now it's all fine and good for me to say this, and it's a foregone conclusion that folks like this guy who cannot justify science that he doesn't understand, will think I'm full of shit. My experiments and results are subjective in nature and only valuable to me. However I have benefited by the knowledge gained in the experiment, what else matters! It was prudent of him to back off from his original *attack pose*, but that retraction was *backhanded* and still shows that he does not understand there is more to time and space than what he thinks he knows! I do not think William was being overzealous at all, I think he was handing you folks an opportunity to expand your "context" and you will either accept it, or you will not! In either case your personal constraints will dictate how far you go in taking the statement literally! LUX.. owen D. Owen Rowley {uunet,pyramid,sun}!autodesk!owen