Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Path: utzoo!telly!moore!bkj386!anton
From: anton@bkj386.uucp (Anton Aylward)
Subject: Advice on design
Reply-To: anton@analsyn.UUCP (Anton J Aylward)
Organization: Chaos in the Basement
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:04:57 GMT
Message-ID: <1990Aug22.150457.8061@bkj386.uucp>

Can anyone advise me on sources for design, **** NOT CODING *****
using the facilities provided by C++.

I've heard there are some bad books out there, one review dammed a 
4-function calculator example for being bloated, especially when
compared to the one in Stroustrup's book.

The examples in the books I have bought (Sighh) and the magazines 
don't inpire me.  What I see I keep thinking would be
just as easy to do in C or even (no. no, don't say it - he's going
to say it .... ) PASCAL, and probably simpler, cleaner and not require
the amount of information in the form of header files to be fed back
into the application that uses the module.

[I thought C++ was about information hiding, not _increasing_ the
 visibility and surface area.]

I've been programming in C for over 12 years.
Most of what I have without C++ is pretty condensed.
I work on the K&R principle of parsimony.

What I've read on the philosopy of C++ apeals to my sense of good design,
simplicity, regularity.....   What I've seen as implmenetion gives me a
bad taste.

Now is this just that the editors are comment on the part of us that survies
death (what 's he say?  - oh! "Ah Souls") or is C++ really a cripple
when it comes to simple, concise and elegant expression of a solution.

Example of simple & concise:

	#include <stdio.h>

	main()
	{
		printf("Hello World\n");
	}

Counter example: do the same program under microsoft windows.

For those who think I'm being argumentative, please back off.
I have confidence in people like Stroustrup and believe that he knows 
more about language design than I'll ever do.  
I'm not criticising C++, I'm _ASKING_ how I can get the best from it.
This is not a question about coding, its a question about how to
design for C++.

I appreciate that this question is to broad in scope to recieve answers
of any detail by followups or mail, but could someone please give me 
some references that put C++ in a good light?

Thank you for listening to my problems.
Thank you in advance for your assistance.

/anton aylward