Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: Categories of Musicological Analysis Message-ID: <14638@venera.isi.edu> Date: 21 Aug 90 18:02:19 GMT References: <9931@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu> <1918@idunno.Princeton.EDU> <9956@life.ai.mit.edu> Sender: news@venera.isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Distribution: na Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Lines: 36 In article <9956@life.ai.mit.edu> mrsmith@rice-chex.UUCP (Mr. P. H. Smith) writes: > >Do you think that "rhythm, melody, harmony, and lyrics" are "Western >musical procedures?" I don't, and I don't think any non-western >musician would agree with you, if you arrogantly claim that rhythm, >melody, harmony, and lyrics are Western musical procedures. Let me try to come to Linda's defense here. I do not think her intent was to be quite as arrogant as you are assuming. The way I interpreted her original claim was as an assertion that TERMS such as "rhythm," "melody," "harmony," and "lyrics" need not necessarily have clean maps to concepts in all non-Western civilizations. You are probably too young to remember McLuhan's old saw about there being no word for "art" in Bali because "we do everything the best we can." There are a variety of schools of thought (some of which are even consistent with current research in artificial intelligence) based on the premise that concept formation is a highly idiosyncratic process. It is unclear that you and I deal with a concept like "melody" the same way, let alone whether or not your concept is consistent with one of McLuhan's Balinese (to choose a random example about which, I confess, I know precious little). The odds are better in our case because we probably have a lot of cultural similarities, but my guess is that I could come up with at least one critical aspect in which we differ. ========================================================================= USPS: Stephen Smoliar USC Information Sciences Institute 4676 Admiralty Way Suite 1001 Marina del Rey, California 90292-6695 Internet: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu "It's only words . . . unless they're true."--David Mamet