Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!know!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo!nelson_p From: nelson_p@apollo.HP.COM (Peter Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: RE Feedback on Computer Crime Message-ID: <4c5548de.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> Date: 21 Aug 90 14:39:00 GMT Sender: root@apollo.HP.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA Lines: 56 Barry Shein posts... :Copying a $500 software package by buying $5 worth of floppies seems :to be a situation akin to storing diamonds in open containers in front :of your house and then demanding the police stand guard lest some :crook steal them. Certainly the person who stole them committed a :crime, but if the society responds that perhaps you should store your :diamonds in some better way is also valid, being as you are obviously :fully aware of the problem you are creating. And if you cannot come up :with the solution or find it too expensive (but safes cost money!), :well, perhaps you are in the wrong business. True. but in that example there is a recognized and available means to protect your property. Consider cattle-stealing in western states. Cattle stealing has historically been a fairly easy crime to commit. It is hard to guard thousands of acres of range land. So as a result historically the response has been to have vigorous enforcement and very tough sentencing of people who steal cattle. "Frontier justice" for cattle or horse thieves was no joke. : :> There may not BE a solution, or at least one which consumers :> would accept. It's easy to say they should do "something" :> but on the other hand, anyone who DOES come up with a good :> anti-piracy scheme will get disgustingly rich overnight if :> it cannot be defeated and is also acceptable to the market. : :Perhaps there is no solution. So, therefore, we should subsidize the :profitability of this industry with billions of tax dollars? I don't think it comes to billions. But obviously we have to decide how important it is to us to have a viable, commercial software industry. You might be aware of lots of software companies which are raking it in and making obscene profits based on huge margins. But I'm aware of very few such companies, and even in those the huge profits are usually *very* transitory. I know lots of software companies which are only making a few percent and also quite a few who are in the red. And considering the number of people I know who have stolen copies of software in their possession, I don't think the problem is all that minor. From what I've seen with my own eyes I can certainly believe it when the software industry claims that it is a significant dent in their business. ---Peter