Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!ucbvax!CYBER.WIDENER.EDU!Joshua.R.Poulson From: Joshua.R.Poulson@CYBER.WIDENER.EDU Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: Re: A lot of stuff that's been happening lately. Message-ID: <5A08161122060136-MTABWIDENER*Joshua.R.Poulson@cyber.widener.edu> Date: 22 Aug 90 22:51:21 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 64 Hello everyone, I just recently joined this list and it appears that everyone is talking about the big crackdown (Operation Sun-Devil and related stuff?) and the Orwellian taste it has. Perhaps I should strengthen the opposing viewpoint some more since it seems to be losing. Our computer here at Widener University is owned by the University. The University hires me to maintain the operation of that computer. The computer's function is to provide a service to specific group of people: our user base. Now, our user base consists of students, staff, faculty, and administrative personnel here. Since the use of a computer is a service that is provided to the users, when someone extracts usage that he or she is not supposed to extract, we consider that THEFT of that service. This is similar to the people that mess with cable TV lines to get pay services. Theft of service is a legal and I suppose well-defined area. When someone calls our modems just to play cracking games with our system and denies the use of that modem to someone with a legitimate purpose we take that fairly seriously. I suppose that the people who are "exploring" the network and "experimenting" with the equipment I'm responsible for don't see it that way. I see it as people who are exploiting the connectivity that I've fought to provide for legitimate users. It hurts that someone takes advantage of the utility the system should have. No one likes entering passwords in order to employ useful programs. Now there are problems I have with some of the actions I've heard described about Operation Sun-Devil. Those doubts are based upon the CONSTITUTIONALITY of certain things. However, I support the idea that a harder stance has be taken again people who misuse or abuse the equipment they're provided. The software issue, I feel, is the same way. Software is licensed to users for their personal use. Users purchase the SERVICE of the software, just like users paying tuition are getting the SERVICE of our computer. I think that software developers are allowed to receive recompense for their work. Now I do admit that it seems that competition in the market is on a downslide and that certain things are getting expensive. It used to be cheap to develop DOS programs. Now if you want to write code for Windows and OS/2 (PM or not) it'll cost you in time (it's more complicated), money (those development kits are not cheap... and neither is a reasonable compiler), and resources (it's hard to believe the kind of machine needed to do serious development work!). I think that's unreasonable. I like machines better that include all that fancy software very cheaply. Unix boxes with X Windows are CHEAP, compared to the DOS/Windows/OS-2 nightmare. Now, as I get off of my soapbox and paint a bullseye on my chest, I would like to offer myself as an advocate on the opposite side of any issue. I feel that a certain amount of research is required to produce better workers for the future. And, it's nice to play with a game before buying it. And, it costs a lot to develop newer operating systems so how do you make up the costs. (See, ain't I lots of fun?) I'll see everybody later, happy posting. --JRP [Joshua.R.Poulson@cyber.widener.EDU] Please don't send mail straight to me. If it's pertinent, post it. If it's a flame, trash it. If it's a love note, forward it to my girlfriend.