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From: atoenne@exunido.uucp (Andreas Toenne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: How much would a TT with Unix cost me (roughly)?
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Date: 27 Aug 90 15:58:03 GMT
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In article <1990Aug27.133140.14808@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>In article <1829@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Bill White ) writes:
>>	I've seen a lot about the TT and I'm convinced I want one now.
>>I also want one with Unix; gnu is OK but frankly, I really hate gulam
>>and really want multitasking.  So my question is,
>>	- how much would the TT cost (realistically, i.e., including
>>discounts, etc.)
>>	- how much does UNIX cost?  (I can do the addition myself).
>>I'm hoping the whole bundle would cost under $3000.  And no, I'm not
>>quite ready to shell out this much; I'm just dreaming.
>
>I don't know where you got your info from but...
>
>1> the TT isn't available.  You can't get it for any amount of money 
>   in these here United States of America (or anywhere else I think).

And I don't know what your source of information is, but drop it :-)
The TT can be bought! I know a company which runs Smalltalk80 on it
(138% Dorado for the curious). Right now it will be sold to developers
and very anoying customers :-) Look for them before christmas.

>2> Atari Unix is in the same type of limbo that TOS 1.4 was in say
>   2-3 years ago.  It's one of those things they show for an instant
>   at a trade show here and there, but God only knows if/when Atari will
>   ever get it cleaned up enough to sell it and then get Jack's approval
>   to sell it in the US.

I saw a stable version of System V somewhat... at the Atari show in
Duesseldorf last weekend. They will port some newer software before spring
and it will cost below 10000DM then. (right now this is about US$6400
in Europe and if the $ continues falling then it will be 8000 in spring, hehe)


Ah, talking about the TT....  it sucks!
According to specifications it should run at 32Mhz. Actually it houses
a 68030xxx33 chip as I found by opening one (which is even more difficult
than on the ST. Lots of shieldings and lots of screws. One screw holds
the harddisk and when we removed it the disk dropped on the desk, oops :-)
However, it is only slightly faster than a Mac II somewhat at 16Mhz
which is rather disappointing (even then the TT is a reasonably priced
machine comparing it to the price of Macs in Germay). I guess the other
hardware was designed for 16Mhz only and cannot keep the pace.
(rams are 100ns for instance)


	Andreas Toenne
	atoenne@unido.uucp

P.S. These are my humble opinions based on 3 days experience and a set
of screwdrivers. I am not payed by Atari (they never will) neither
by one of their competitors.