Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!cert.sei.cmu.edu!krvw From: mweiner@bene.at (Michael Weiner) Newsgroups: comp.virus Subject: Stealth viruses (PC) Message-ID: <0014.9008221137.AA19228@ubu.cert.sei.cmu.edu> Date: 20 Aug 90 16:45:35 GMT Sender: Virus Discussion List Lines: 28 Approved: krvw@sei.cmu.edu woody@chinacat.Unicom.COM (Woody Baker) wrote: [on the possibility for viruses to alter ROM BIOS code shadowed into RAM on 386 machines] > One should not forget ram shadowing of the bios. It is a simple > matter to determine whether this is in effect attempt to alter a > byte in the bios area, and see if it took. In many cases ROM shadow is write protected (on my machine for example) and on the machines of all people I asked. The only way to check whether it is shadowed or not is timing ROM access and comparing the timing to RAM timing. Still, this write protection is software-based only. As I understand it, these memory managers work by placing the machine in protected mode and running the PC in Virtual-86 mode. If a virus was able to switch into protected mode using some backdoor, it becomes feasible to alter shadowed ROM which would be truly frigthening. Let's hope it won't happen because we'll have a hard time protecting ourselves against this type of attack. +----------------------+-----------------------+ I Michael Weiner I uucp: mweiner@bene.at I I Ghelengasse 4 +-----------------------+ I A-1130 Wien Austria I tel: ++43 1 8232400 I +----------------------+-----------------------+