Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!cert.sei.cmu.edu!krvw From: hartley@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil Newsgroups: comp.virus Subject: Re: Antivirus viruses Message-ID: <0011.9008231338.AA20624@ubu.cert.sei.cmu.edu> Date: 22 Aug 90 18:03:07 GMT Sender: Virus Discussion List Lines: 58 Approved: krvw@sei.cmu.edu I think there are situations in which the release of such viruses would be both ethical and desirable. I can think of at least one precedent from the medical profession - - the Saulk (sp?) vaccine (the primary polio vaccine in the US). This vaccine is a live, contagious, virus. Any Physician who administers it is releasing a virus into the population. This is considered an advantage. Contagion is not considered a problem because: 1 - The virus is beneficial (it blocks a much more virulent virus) 2 - It is intended that the entire population be inoculated anyway. The computer analog of such a transmissible live attenuated virus would be a version of a highly destructive virus from which the destructive code has been removed. The vaccine would spread to exactly the population susceptible to the original virus, because it would spread by the same mechanism and would be stopped by the same protective software. It would then compete with the virulent virus by means of of its shared self recognition site. To be effective such a vaccine would have to reach a target machine before the virulent strain. This can be insured in two ways. a - by making the vaccine spread more rapidly than its target. Small increases (which could result simply from the removal of the destructive payload) might be sufficient. Regardless of how fast it spreads, however, the vaccine will sill arrive too late for some machines. b - Give the vaccine a head start by distributing it widely by means other than contagion. E.g by distributing it as part of a package of anti-viral tools. Possible objections: A - The vaccine would lull people into a false sense of security. Response - The people who don't have conventional anti-viral software (which would stop both the target virus and the vaccine) have a false sense of security already. B - The vaccine will inevitably contain bugs which will harm some users. Response - So does the polio vaccine. Through mutation into virulent forms and unusually susceptible individuals, the polio vaccine does (rarely) cause disease. People die from it. This is considered acceptable because the vaccine reduces the total probability of disease. C - If this is allowed there will be a flood of "beneficial" viruses. Response - I am not suggesting that every hacker (in either the prejorative sense of the word or not) be given license to go out and release his own vaccine to any virus he sees fit. Unilateral release of a virus is unconscionable and should be illegal. But with proper review and testing through a "computer FDA", use of live vaccines Should not be dismissed out of hand. The above is not the official position Ralph Hartley of any organization of more than one member. hartley@aic.nrl.navy.mil