Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!ISW From: ISW@cup.portal.com (Isaac S Wingfield) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: Ridiculous Impedance Message-ID: <33145@cup.portal.com> Date: 24 Aug 90 00:51:05 GMT References: <1770009@otter.hpl.hp.com> <1770010@otter.hpl.hp.com> Distribution: na Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 36 Larry Lippman writes: >50, 75 and 93 ohm coaxial cable are merely common values that have >been standardized upon for many commercial and military applications >They are not "magic" numbers for any particular reason. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ According to some things I read a few years ago, the two values 50 and 75 ohms are, in fact "magic". 75 Ohms answers the question "For a given outer diameter, what impedance provides the lowest attenuation per unit length"? This is good to know if you are going to distribute video or cable TV, for example. The fact that dipole antennas are also 75 ohms is coincidental. 50 (or 51, or 51.5) Ohms answers the question "For a given outer diameter, what impedance cable can handle the maximum amount of power?" The answer is really around 35 ohms, but the minimum is quite broad; 50 ohms is only fractionally poorer, and also matches vertical quarter-wave antennas, so that's why it was chosen. Reference: Schaum's Outline Series volume on transmission lines. There's also some fascinating information in there on frequency dispersion in ordinary wires at audio frequencies which should be of interest to people who believe that such effects are non-existent in speaker cable, for example. BTW, I'll bet that the Trans-Atlantic cable impedance was carefully chosen to provide an optimum set of parameters such as minimizing loss while providing sufficient breakdown to allow the voltages necessary to series feed the repeaters, or some such. Ma Bell doesn't work by guess or by golly. At least one of the TA cables used about 15KV at each end...(And you think YOU have ground bounce problems.) Isaac isw@cup.portal.com