Xref: utzoo comp.object:1721 comp.lang.c++:9360 comp.lang.eiffel:1073 comp.lang.smalltalk:2202 comp.software-eng:4125 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!pacbell!pacbell.com!ucsd!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!iuvax!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news From: render@cs.uiuc.edu (Hal Render) Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: TOOLS '91 (March 4-8) - Call for Papers Keywords: Technology of Object-Oriented Languages and Systems Message-ID: <1990Sep2.193720.17672@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 2 Sep 90 19:37:20 GMT References: <402@eiffel.UUCP> Sender: news@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (News) Organization: U of Illinois, CS Dept., Systems Research Group Lines: 30 In article sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes: >bertrand@eiffel.UUCP (Bertrand Meyer) writes: > >| FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS > >Are any of these papers going to be made available freely? Or do we have to >go and buy them? Is this an advertisement? I don't understand what you are complaining about. A call for papers is just an announcement that some group wants papers to include in some forum or journal. There's no implication that the papers will be freely available. If you want to restrict announcements of conferences to those that don't charge for a copy of the proceedings, then you are basically saying that you don't want conference announcements here. I myself have no problem with conference announcments being in both news.announce.conferences and whatever comp.* group has the closest relationship to the subject. Part of this is because I hope to publish in some of these places, and part of it is because I like to know what's going on. My alternative would be to pay for a journal that had these conference announcements in them. If, however, you are saying that you object to the high price of proceedings, then I agree with you. I was principal author on a paper published in a proceedings as a grad student, and they still wanted me to pay $40 for a copy of the proceedings. That may not mean much to the average working CS person, but to a grad student, that's a sizeable chunk of a month's pay. I was reluctant to make my grant pay for it, and consequently I still don't have a copy of the proceedings. hal.