Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!shoemake From: shoemake@Apple.COM (Mike Shoemaker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk Subject: Re: Ethernet to LocalTalk via AppleShare PC Message-ID: <44393@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 29 Aug 90 22:32:09 GMT References: <449@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 54 jkyte@macadam.mqcs.mq.oz.au (John Kyte) writes: > > We have a LocalTalk Mac network, with server Vers 2 software (is > this the same as "Phase 2" ?), LaserWriters, and a WEBSTER MULTI- > GATE to Ethernet. On Ethernet we have, amongst other things, IBM- > > APPLESHARE PC software driving a 3Comm Etherlink II card is > claimed to provide the required facility. The > software loads and seems to configure OK, but cannot see or > access any LocalTalk facilities, nor can it see our Novell "Net- > ware for Macintosh" server on Ethernet. The MULTIGATE seems to be > doing the right things - from the LocalTalk side our Macs can > Telnet to Unix systems, see Netware for Mac server etc. If we put > a Mac II with EtherTalk NB card on the ethernet only, everythin- > g's fine : it can see the LocalTalk server and Laserwriters. > > Why won't the AppleShare PC/3Comm Etherlink II work ?? ---- any > suggestions as to where we're going wrong would be greatly appre- > ciated, as would information on alternative solutions. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > John Kyte (jkyte@macadam.mqcs.mq.oz.au) Phone +61 2 805 8948 > School of MPCE, > Macquarie University 2109 Australia > ----------------------------------------------------------------- First: No, AppleShare server 2.0.x is not the same as AppleTalk Phase 2. I'm sure your problem is an AppleTalk Phase 1 versus AppleTalk Phase 2 problem. AppleShare PC 2.0.x is AppleTalk Phase 2. If the Webster MULTIGATE is not Phase 2, ASPC will not see it. Have you upgraded your Novell Server to Phase 2 yet? I'd bet the reason the Mac II works is that it is running EtherTalk 1.0 which uses Appletalk phase 1 protocols instead of Phase 2. If you were to upgrade the Mac II to EtherTalk 2.0, then it would also 'become blind' to the other Phase 1 devices (The MULTIGATE and Novell Server). The long-term solution is to upgrade your Ethernet devices to Phase 2. You can resist for a while, but new Apple products will require a Phase 2 network. Remember that for non-router nodes on LocalTalk there is no difference between Phase 1 and 2. -- The only difference is on EtherTalk. Apple's marketing group has a neat brochure that outlines the differences between 1 and 2 and the various migration and upgrade paths available. Mike Shoemaker Network Connectivity Development Apple Computer, Inc.