Path: utzoo!utgpu!cunews!bnrgate!uunet!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!tgould!lmjm From: lmjm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Lee McLoughlin) Newsgroups: uk.misc,eunet.followup,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Internet routing Europe - USA -} Europe... Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 90 16:14:39 GMT References: <1990Aug30.091435.1982@ircam.ircam.fr <6190@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Sender: news@doc.ic.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London. U.K. Lines: 59 In-reply-to: tommyk@cs.glasgow.ac.uk's message of 31 Aug 90 07:26:56 GMT Lee's time to flame ->> In article <6190@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> tommyk@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes: From: tommyk@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) Newsgroups: eunet.followup,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Date: 31 Aug 90 07:26:56 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Does this imply that you CAN actually telnet out to U.S. sites? Is the UK the only place which is isolated from the rest of the world? Yes the UK is really the only Europaen country where not only do we lack tcp/ip services to the internet but you *CANNOT GET* tcp/ip services to the internet. Oh sure if you have ooodles of money and can afford your own satelite link or pss connection to a friendly site somewhere on the internet (some of the bigger companies with UK branches do this) or if you are one of the priviledged UK universities who have a link such as ULCC, UCL or UKC then fine, you're laughing. The rest of us? Forget it. There is noone out there offering a service that most UKNET users can afford. Even something as simple as running tcp/ip over JANET so we can have some degree of sane networking here in the UK seems to be out. The JANET powers that be do not want anything as useful as tcp/ip sullying there network! God forbid you should be able to use the networking software that comes on your machine!! Far better to have to shell out for coloured book software! Don't give me any of that rubbish about tcp/ip not being available on all the machines on Janet, any machine that sells in the US has tcp/ip available for it. Normally from several competing vendors. Over here you are lucky if the coloured books are available at all for any new box. The thing that really amazes me about all this is that there is not a bigger fuss about it all! I regularly pull back new releases of software/documentation from US/Europaen academics from internet, don't academics here in the UK want to make there work available in the same way? Many comerical companies are on the US Internet and release patches, demo release and the like by making them available for anonymous ftp. Don't companies over here want to do the same thing? If I thought it would succeed I'd say we should all lobby for either UKNET or Janet to make internet available to us, but a lot of us tried to get that stupid Janet decision about email addresses being the wrong way around reversed and failed. If I was a gambling man I'd bet any attempt to get us tcp/ip from the Janet authorities would be met by innane statements about ISO. My parting question is directed the those that run UKNET: when is tcp/ip going to be available to UKNET members in the same way as it is to Eunet members? -- -- Lee McLoughlin phone: 071 589 5111 X 5037 fax: 071 581 8024 Department of Computing, Imperial College, 180 Queens Gate, London SW7 2BZ, UK Janet: lmjm@uk.ac.ic.doc Uucp: lmjm@icdoc.UUCP (or ..!ukc!icdoc!lmjm) DARPA: lmjm@doc.ic.ac.uk (or lmjm%uk.ac.ic.doc@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk)