Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!ucbvax!penndrls.upenn.edu!GTHEALL From: GTHEALL@penndrls.upenn.edu (George A. Theall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: Rainbow EchoMail Digest Message-ID: <9009041153.AA22470@remote.dccs.upenn.edu> Date: 4 Sep 90 12:54:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 176 Rainbow EchoMail Digest Sep 4, 1990 In this issue: RE: CACHE PROGRAM (4 messages) RE: WINDOWS 3.0 RE: KILO, MEGA, ETC. RE: HARD DISC RE: COLORS ON RAINBOW RE: TECO FOR RAINBOW? Articles posted to either INFO-DEC-MICRO or comp.sys.dec.micro are currently gatewayed to the Rainbow Echo on FidoNet. You do not need to take special action to respond to articles in these digests. Please send reports of problems or suggestions for improvement of this digest to GTHEALL@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU (Internet). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 09-02-90 (16:23) To: CARL HOUSEMAN Subject: RE: CACHE PROGRAM From: JEAN-CLAUDE DEMARS >re: Under federal law, sale of a program gives the owner of that copy > the right to transfer that copy to anyone he wants to ... Yea, when was the last time you bought software?? Most of the software that i have seen, you buy a license to use it, not the software it self. - --- TAGMAIL v2.20 * Origin: The Moose's Den2 (HST/V.32) (1:130/35) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:09) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: WINDOWS 3.0 From: BILL MAYHEW I don't think you'd find Pagemaker or Ventura useable on a non-Turbowed Rainbow. Both programs are quite CPU-intensive. - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:13) To: GARY STEBBINS Subject: RE: KILO, MEGA, ETC. From: BILL MAYHEW Your definitions of "k", "K", "m" and "M" are fine and dandy, until you consider that in other industries, "M" means "thousand", not million. I was slightly freaked out the first time I ordered 5,000 custom computer forms and the order paperwork came through saying "5M". I think the bottom line to this discussion is that the use of this terminology is about as "standard" as is, oh, UNIX. ;-) -Bill - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:19) To: DAVID MAROUN Subject: RE: HARD DISC From: BILL MAYHEW Bingo! The original DEC-supplied hard disk utility was indeed not intended to support disks bigger than 10Mb. When DEC introduced the RD31 20Mb disk for the Rainbow, it came with a revised hard disk utility to support it. - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:23) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: COLORS ON RAINBOW From: BILL MAYHEW Frank, There *is* no VT241 programmer's manual. The VT240 programmer's manual (actually, "VT240 Series Programmer's Reference Manual", EK-VT240-RM) covers both. But as noted elsewhere, its contents are of no use to the Rainbow user unless he/she is running Rainbow ReGIS. -Bill - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:33) To: CARL HOUSEMAN Subject: RE: CACHE PROGRAM From: BILL MAYHEW Carl, Digital's license transfer rules are covered by contract law. Paul's statement, about federal law which states that purchased/licensed software can be transferred by transferring the original media, doesn't apply when it is superseded by a contract between buyer and seller, as in Digital's case. -Bill - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (14:36) To: JEAN-CLAUDE DEMARS Subject: RE: CACHE PROGRAM From: BILL MAYHEW Jean-Claude, NO NO NO. Most (if not all) software licenses contain a clause which states that you (the licensee) may not make copies of the software for anyone else. Period, the end. -Bill - --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (03:00) To: JEAN-CLAUDE DEMARS Subject: RE: TECO FOR RAINBOW? From: PAUL ROBINSON 'TECO' is an acronym for 'Text Editor and COrrector,' THE editor for DIGITAL computers (the serious ones, anyway). TECO, in various forms, ran on RT11, RSX, RSTS/E, DEC-10, DEC-20. It is probably the most powerful line oriented editor ever created. It supports virtually all of the features now available in powerful editors: conditional editing, looping, testing for conditions, displaying messages, etc. In short, macros for TECO take on the quality of small programs because of the power and flexibility of TECO. It was, however, hard to learn to use the editor efficiently because it did so many things. But you could learn it enough to use it for editing in about 20 minutes. More powerful capabilities could be learned over weeks. The only thing teco lacked - because there was no standard defining it - - was full screen editing capability. But you could write a macro to do that! - --- Opus-CBCS 1.12 * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Md - 301-622-2247 ------------------------------ Date: 09-03-90 (11:25) To: PAUL ROBINSON Subject: RE: CACHE PROGRAM From: CARL HOUSEMAN re: Whether Digital can claim that the product is licensed, i.e. leased or rented, rather than sold, is a semantic question. I don't take "licensed" to mean leased or rented. IANAL, but I've understood for years (or so I thought) that there were perpetual licenses and renewable licenses. The renewable type would seem to imply a lease. But a pertetual license entitles the holder to use the product forever, unless the license is canceled or terminated as provided for in the license agreement itself. Getting back to the original problem, "Is the software sold?", I've not met a license agreement yet that doesn't say something like "Title or ownership of the software is not conveyed to the licensor". So, it's not the software that's being sold, just the right to use it. And it is this right-to-use that Digital restricts its customers from re-selling. - --- Opus-CBCS 1.12 * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Md - 301-622-2247 ------------------------------