Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!uunet!bfmny0!tneff From: tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) Newsgroups: comp.unix.i386 Subject: Re: Altos 5000 Message-ID: <15812@bfmny0.BFM.COM> Date: 28 Aug 90 09:23:14 GMT References: <3864@altos86.Altos.COM> <1990Aug28.064145.26246@fiver> Reply-To: tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) Lines: 37 I'll say this much in Altos's defense. It can be a major annoyance to run an OS like UNIX on hardware that still, at some fundamental level, thinks it's a desktop PC designed to run Space Invaders. When something weird happens you often have to take it down and boot DOS before you get any meaningful diagnostic answers. When you call vendors you have to have the patience of Job as you peel away layers of half-smart babysitters who keep asking you why you didn't just put a MODE.EXE call in your AUTOEXEC.BAT, or what ROM BIOS routine to call, or what the Norton FAT Zapper says about your files. On the whole if you know you're going to be running UNIX on a box, it's a nice luxury to have the box designed and optimized for the purpose. It's comforting to a certain business mindset to know this is so, as it is to know that one company is behind both hardware and software. The question is, how much more is the luxury worth it. I paid a small premium for an AT&T WGS 6386 network because my experience tells me the one-vendor advantage ends up mattering when your work is important and they pay you to do something besides tinker with your system all the time. But the machines are still PCs and come with diskettes, BIOS documentation etc (and a copy of Windows) despite all the work AT&T has done to make them work as UNIX platforms. I can do things with the video and other hardware under "real" DOS/BIOS control that the UNIX drivers still don't support. Still, paying twice or three times as much for the comfort of knowing my box was developed as a dedicated UNIX super-micro is not worth it to me. Of course, I don't fall in whatever specialized vertical niche it is where you need to support 200 terminals on a single CPU. My guess is that anyone in that niche should shop around for a system that meets those special needs, pay what it costs even it's more than a PS/2 costs, and count himself lucky -- the heck with what the rest of us think. Just make sure that's REALLY what you need... -- "We plan absentee ownership. I'll stick to `o' Tom Neff building ships." -- George Steinbrenner, 1973 o"o tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM