Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uoft02.utoledo.edu!desire!sbishop From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Re: inappropriate postings Message-ID: <1150.26de3d4e@desire.wright.edu> Date: 31 Aug 90 15:34:54 GMT References: <64347@oliveb.atc.olivetti.com] <1990Aug28.045702.21315@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <49314@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> <1990Aug30.025814.22471@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <555@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> Lines: 69 In article <555@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, sandee@sun16 (Daan Sandee) writes: > In article <1990Aug30.025814.22471@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu] richman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Richman) writes: > ] ......... I > ] do not think most of the posters have wandered into this group. > ] Perhaps a few have. My hunch is that they made a calculated > ] move. Perhaps some are birders (in the conventional sense) too. > ] Another point of disagreement (what you refer to as my smok- > ] escreen) is the idea that a non-moderated group is open to ALL, > ] regardless of the stated charter. > An incredible argument. Why have charters at all, in that case? Why > create new groups? Why not give up the concept of newsgroups > altogether? > We are talking about two groups - rec.birds and rec.pets. > Both were created for a specific purpose. Both have a charter defining > that purpose. Those charters don't overlap. Pet birds are part of the > rec.pets charter. So what's the problem? Well, the problem is that some > people ignore these facts and then when we complain about it, they start > yelling about freedom, and about Usenet being anarchy. It is surprising > nobody has called upon the First Amendment yet (which doesn't apply to > Usenet, incidentally ; it merely restricts the action of Government). > > ] A final thought would be to form a chartered group with some > ] power to enforce the charter (read: MODERATED). Short of that, > ] the price you pay for freedom is putting up with some articles > ] which don't fit your idea of "correct". > ] -- > ] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > ] = Mike Richman Atmospheric Sciences Water Survey U. of Illinois = > ] = email (uiuc mailserver) internet/bitnet/uucp: mrichman@uiuc.edu = > ] = bitnet: mrichman%uiuc.edu@uiucvmd uucp: uunet!uiuc.edu!mrichman = > > Your arguments can be summed up easily. > (a) You know you're not welcome. > (b) You have invaded us anyway. > (c) You now dare us to use force to drive you out. > Where have I heard that reasoning recently ? > HELP ! Saddam Hussein is taking over Usenet! > And not much room for a smiley here. > Next time you blunder into the ladies' restroom, are you prepared to state > that (1) you did it on purpose, because the men's room is full, as usual, > and (2) all this segregation of sexes is irrelevant anyway, and (3) if they > want to keep out undesirable elements, they should install a cloakroom lady? > Okay, a smiley goes here. :-) > But seriously, the comparison is correct. Your behavior is just as uncivilised. > You deliberately ignore agreements that are not laws graven in stone but > still intended to be adhered to by people with some degree of consideration > for their fellow mortals. > I entirely agree with your technical arguments about the use and the > limitations of kill files. But the arguments of principle that you use to > justify your intrusion retroactively are specious and irrelevant. In short, > you are damaging your position by advancing them. > > Daan Sandee sandee@sun16.scri.fsu.edu > Supercomputer Computations Research Institute > Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052 (904) 644-7045 OK, that does it. I quit. I will hereby ignore this group and remove it from my restricted directory. You birders have just totally reinforced my idea that you are a bunch of insensitive, elitist shitheads who really get off by running around bragging about how many species of birds you have spotted on a particular day. To me that smacks of the big game hunters that used to go out and see how many buffalo or rare species they could kill a day. Makes me wonder how many of you avid birders have been volunteering time at the local bird sanctuary or how many have helped in rehabilitation of injured raptors, etc. I (SHOCK, GASP, HORRORS!) keep caged birds. I also enjoy watching the wild ones around my feeders and woods. And I have enjoyed reading about different areas for bird watching. But I am totally sick of the harrassment and obnoxious comments from you snots.