Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!cbnews!military From: wb9omc@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: RE: Sinking Tankers Message-ID: <1990Aug31.030327.22986@cbnews.att.com> Date: 31 Aug 90 03:03:27 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 42 Approved: military@att.att.com From: wb9omc@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Let me pose a hypothetical question about chasing and sinking tankers in the Persian Gulf (or elsewhere for that matter). What effect would a 16" shell from the Wisconsin have (aside from the obvious ignition of any combustibles on board) to the ship? Now that may seem like an obvious question with an obvious answer....what I am thinking of is: while there would be a big hole in the thing (assuming for the sake of arguments, holds with NO oil, mostly empty), would it get blown in half with one well placed round? I have seen what 16" HE can do to granite mountains (that is, making lots of little rocks) but I'm curious about what the dynamics of hitting the hull or upper deck and exploding would have on the rest of the structure. Any theories (and yes I *do* know that the 16" round can go through xx inches of Krupp steel used in an armor belt....this is a *slightly* different case :-) )???? Duane [mod.note: The problem when engaging such "soft" targets with large- caliber guns is mostly one of fusing. The fuses of these shells can be set to various delays; the idea being that the fuse activates upon striking the target, and should have enough delay to allow the shell to travel on to the ship's vitals before exploding. The thing is that if the target is armored, you need a longer delay, because the shell loses part of its velocity in penetrating the armor. The thicker the armor, the greater the delay needed. This was a problem in the Battle of Leyte Gulf, where the Japanese shells were fused too long; many of their battleship shells thus completely penetrated the "baby flattops" before exploding after passing through. However, the problem can be solved. I'd feel confident that modern US Naval practice has anticipated this, given that any ship target these guns would now engages would probably be unarmored. Too, during the war, battleship guns did from time to time strike and detonate against targets as small as destroyers. The large beam of a tanker should simplify the problem still further. - Bill ]