Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!dfk From: dfk@eu.net (Daniel Karrenberg) Newsgroups: eunet.followup,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Internet routing Europe - USA -} Europe... Message-ID: <1795@mcsun.eu.net> Date: 7 Sep 90 09:53:48 GMT References: <4835@tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk> Followup-To: poster Organization: European Unix systems User Group Lines: 53 jonathan@cs.keele.ac.uk (Jonathan Knight) writes: >From article <1990Sep4.164546@jatz.aarnet.edu.au>, by pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford): High time to put some of the *facts* right: >Fortunately for us, the UKnet gateway isn't the only one. UCL have >a 56Kb link to the USA and offer a guest FTP service which allows us >to transfer files to and from internet connected sites. They also >transfer our mail, and make no charge. This is unlike UKC which >charge for news, and mail, and they also advertise themselves as >a valid route for uk mail. But if you are entitled to use the UCL gateway you can also register with UKC free of charge to you. The JNT pays then. So go ahead and register. Also remember tanstafl, links are never free, the taxpayer pays. >This is a pain as they are trying to fit >a full news feed and email down their 9600 baud line, when there >is a no charge route for email down a 56kb line. There is no capacity problem on that line (yet) and an upgrade to 64kbit/s has been ordered. I know because I manage the "continental" end of it. Also have you ever thought about mail to/from Europe rather than the US? Doesn't it seem unfair to you that European sites must ship their mail to you via the US on intercontinental links *they have to pay for* so that you can use your *free* link. That is what I call selfishness! Incidentally the UCL link to the US is down as I write this. Ever heared about redundancy? It would be nice to set things up with multiple links so that things are redundant.... > There's also the >problem that UKC advertise themselves as a forwarder for the ac.uk >domain, when in fact they only forward mail to uknet members and drop >everything else on the floor. Towards the Internet at large UKC does *not* advertise itself as a mail forwarder for ac.uk apart from one single subdomain (a commercial university as far as I know) which is not entitled to use the UCL gateway. > UCL forward all ac.uk mail regardless of what they are members of. Not true, see above. -- Daniel Karrenberg Future Net: CWI, Amsterdam Oldie Net: mcsun!dfk The Netherlands Because It's There Net: DFK@MCVAX