Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!occrsh!uokmax!apple!usc!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!ucbvax!VENERA.ISI.EDU!braden From: braden@VENERA.ISI.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Internet routing Europe - USA -} Europe... Message-ID: <9009072143.AA06850@braden.isi.edu> Date: 7 Sep 90 21:43:11 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 44 From tcp-ip-RELAY@NIC.DDN.MIL Fri Sep 7 14:23:43 1990 Date: 7 Sep 90 13:30:55 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!ercm20@uunet.uu.net (Sam Wilson) Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service Subject: Re: Internet routing Europe - USA -} Europe... References: <1990Aug30.091435.1982@ircam.ircam.fr, <6190@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>, Sender: tcp-ip-relay@nic.ddn.mil To: tcp-ip@nic.ddn.mil In the absence of any response from any of my more competent colleagues, here goes! The JNT has set up an Advisory Group (known as the DOD Advisory Group - not exactly accurate but can anyone provide a better generic term for the entirely of the IP-related protocol set?). We now call it the "Internet protocol suite". The DoD abandoned it long ago, and the rest of the world took it over. On a historical note: someone mentioned the bizarre hardware that used to be (and in many cases still is) attached to JANET - the JNT's stance on Coloured Book software ensured (very) good connectivity then and still does. The fact that TCP/IP may now have overtaken the Coloured Book stuff shouldn't obscure that fact. Actually, this is a highly questionable view of history. I worked at UCL in 1981-82, when the forerunner of JANET was getting going (I wrote the first terminal gateway at UCL, between the TCP/IP-based Satnet connection and the JNT X.25 network). I doubt that there was any stage where the JNT-sponsored academic X.25 kit delivered better service than TCP/IP was delivering to universities in the US. The often-expressed belief in this direction is basically, I believe, English chauvinism. Well, all nations do it, so it can be forgiven; but please don't call it history. While we are at it, to call X.25 a European invention is another revision of history. X.25 was developed by Telenet under Larry Roberts, after he left ARPA where he was largely responsible for the development of the ARPAnet. X.25 was considered to be a commercialized version of the ARPAnet host-host protocol. Bob Braden