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From: pashdown@shotput.es.com@bambam.UUCP (Pete Ashdown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Apple ][ card for Amiga (was: Re: SoftPC for the Amiga 3000)
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Date: 5 Sep 90 14:49:10 GMT
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mrush@csuchico.edu (Matt "C P." Rush) writes:

>	How compatible were Laser's ROMs?  Since ROM jumping was a standard
>programming practice on the Apple ][ I wouldn't expect anything to run on 
>less than the REAL ROMs.  I always figured that Laser was just buying ROMs
>from Apple (or making the buyer get his own)...

They were about 99.9% compatible.  I didn't own a Laser, but my friend
(blgardne@esunix) was a dealer for them.  IMHO, the Laser ROMs were BETTER
than what Apple produced for their //c's.  More features and the like.  Laser
wrote their OWN ROMs in conjunction with Franklin after Apple sued Franklin
over the ROM issue.  I would imagine that their sales right now are highly
questionable, thus they'd probably jump at the chance to sell the ROMs (and
screw Apple further :-)).


>>produced a II emulator as well.  Its almost scary to think about how
>>Apple's rug could be pulled out from underneath them.

>	The big problem with this is that you can buy a really NICELY LOADED
>Apple ][ system used for well under $300.  So such an emulator is really only
>going to make it if they can have it run a the FULL speed of an Apple ][,
>include TWO disk drives (5.25") and do LANGUGE CARD emulation for a similar
>under-$300 price.  It would be a FUN toy, but not a sound product idea (of
>course the BridgeCard sold....).

You've got to realize that what Apple is trying to do is to sell Mac II's with
the Apple II card installed as a "logical upgrade" for schools.  Full speed
SOFTWARE emulation of a <1mhz Apple IIe would be quite easy on an Amiga 3000.
You KNOW that would be a cheaper solution than what Apple is offering.
The Apple IIgs could be fully emulated as well (except for the sound) for it
only runs at 2 mhz.  However, Laser doesn't make IIgs ROMs and Apple isn't
about to license them.

>within acceptable limits for most non-game Apple Programs (though multitasking
>goes out the window with the idle-looping inherent in the Apple :-(.

Bologna, the emulator itself wouldn't require a whole lot of processor time.  If
they can run II-In-A-Mac under MultiFinder, we can easily multitask during
Apple II emulation.

>	-- Matt
>    %                              Now:  mrush@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu  %


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