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From: papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: ADA on Amiga And Oxxi
Keywords: OXXI,AMIGA,ADA
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Date: 9 Sep 90 21:12:41 GMT
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In article <1990Sep9.173108.16455@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>I bought my Modula-2 compiler through OXXI - stay away from them.
>
>Ada for the Amiga sounds like a dream come true, but it OXXI is
>involved, nightmare is more likely to be the result.
>At a minimum, let everybody else go through the non-delivery, the
>unanswered phone calls and letters, the unkept promises, until
>they've proved that this time they're _not_ out to screw the
>customers.

You fail to mention that there was a lawsuit between Oxxi and Avantgarde
involving rights to the M2 compiler (I won't go into the details of who
was right and who was wrong).  Bottom line is that Oxxi ended up agreeing to
release the rights to the M2 compiler back to AvantGarde and therefore was not
permitted to upgrade their old version with anything (they couldn't anyway
'cause AvantGarde never gave them an upgrade).

>Like I've said before about shady business practices, the net
>has a long memory and a wide reach.
>The M2 compiler was finally provide _at shipping cost_ from
>Avante Garde in Plano TX after OXXI refused to honor their
>upgrade guarantee; nice people at A.G.

As I said, Oxxi could not "physically" upgrade you, since they legally couldn't
do it.  My personal experience as developer with Oxxi is quite different. 
They have always offered quite inexpensive upgrades/updates (updates where
$8, major upgrades $35).  I don't know from whom you got the idea of an upgrade
guarantee, but hardly any company has "free" upgrade guarantees, if that is
what you imply.  I have upgraded/updated A-Talk III at least 20 times since it
came out is Sept. 88, and Oxxi offered all of them promptly at a fair price
to current users.  If there have been problems, most have been due to the
rapid expansion Oxxi has had since it acquired Aegis, but I've heard from 
end-users that most of the problems (concerning tech. support) have been
or are being solved.

Making bold statements like the ones you make concerning a single product
and generalizing to a company's entire line, especially without giving out
the details involved, is what I call misinformation.

Since we are on the "update" topic, let me mention that A-Talk III release 1.3c
versions, which include the "2.0 compatible" green stickers should be appearing
at the dealers soon, if they haven't already.  While AT-/// 1.3c has been out 
since DevCon, we received the stickers only about a month ago, and that should
be enough time to trickle down from the Developer->Publisher->Distributor->
Dealer.

-- Marco
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