Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!mcgill-vision!snorkelwacker!usc!wuarchive!uunet!decwrl!sgi!shinobu!odin!ramoth.esd.sgi.com!msc From: msc@ramoth.esd.sgi.com (Mark Callow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi Subject: Re: SGI's migration to X Message-ID: <1990Sep12.181544.2647@odin.corp.sgi.com> Date: 12 Sep 90 18:15:44 GMT References: <208@voodoo.UUCP> <1990Sep6.010419.1573@odin.corp.sgi.com> <1990Sep6.175301.18898@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <1990Sep7.190102.28444@odin.corp.sgi.com> <1990Sep11.234709.27405@jarvi Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Reply-To: msc@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Entry Systems Division Lines: 32 In article <1990Sep11.234709.27405@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, drb@eecg.toronto.edu (David R. Blythe) writes: |> In article <1990Sep7.190102.28444@odin.corp.sgi.com> msc@sgi.com writes: |> > |> >It can be done but remember we are talking about a fast path to the |> >graphics hardware which is a very different thing than the X server. |> |> I think this is a little contentious, the X protocol design shouldn't |> preclude doing fast graphics or having a fast path to the graphics hardware. It's simply fact. The X server provides a number of services that can't be replaced by a fast path to many graphics hardware designs, for example imaging into pixmaps. In a similar vein, saveunders are a major headache when you have clients rendering independently. |> I hope the goal and end result of the X protocol isn't low bandwidth graphics |> but rather just a temporary implementation difficulty. I'll certainly agree I know people who contend that in some cases L. Bob chose some of the more computationally intensive rendering algorithms known to the state of the art at the time. The protocol design is such that you have to use those algorithms or be non-compliant. See the paper "Xtool: Safe X for Sun's" by Jon Steinhart from Xhibition '90 for more details. I haven't looked at the algorithms myself so I'm not ready to argue this position. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@ramoth.sgi.com, ...{ames,decwrl}!sgi!msc "There is much virtue in a window. It is to a human being as a frame is to a painting, as a proscenium to a play. It strongly defines its content."