Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uc!shamash!zeke From: zeke@shamash.cdc.com (Robert Scott) Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos Subject: Re: Info wanted about Unix based PC's Summary: Don't comfuse hardware with the OS running on it. Message-ID: <25467@shamash.cdc.com> Date: 6 Sep 90 18:31:20 GMT References: <102570001@hpclapd.HP.COM> Organization: Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills, MN. Lines: 67 In article <102570001@hpclapd.HP.COM>, defaria@hpclapd.HP.COM (Andy DeFaria) writes: > Excuse me for the dumb question but: > > What Unix based PC's are available. > > I have no PC at present and am thinking of buying one. I tried a couple of > local PC dealers and they showed me their best DOS setups. After sticking > my finger down my thought and puking on the salesmans shoes :-) I decided > that I would probably like a Unix based system. They said that they don't > sell Unix based systems. > > So I would like some info on what's available in the way of Unix based > PC's. How/Where would I get them? What software comes as part of the base > Unix OS? What hardware is required? Prices? etc, etc, /etc! :-) > > What I'm looking for is somewhat of a scaled down model of what I have at > work (an HP 9000 series 350 using X) for as cheap as possible. I want to > have a color monitor, multiprocessing, C, Pascal and what not (can I get a > Turbo Pascal for a Unix based system?) and, of course, editors like Emacs > and/or vi. > It sounds as if you are somewhat confusing the issue of hardware and operating system software here. What a PC dealer is showing you doesn't necessarily have to be DOS. If you have an 80386 based PC, you can run any one of several flavors of "real" unix, complete with all the goodies the "real computers" have. > Although it's tempting to just go for the DOS system and use stuff like MS > Windows 3.0, I would really like to be able to work on more than one thing > at a time like at work. From what I've seen of MS Windows and DOS > (probably the real culprit) you can't do this on the "standard" PC. Is > this possible with a Unix based PC? > With a 386, Windows 3.0 can do multitasking just fine. If you buy a 386 and put real UNIX on it, you can also call up DOS in a UNIX window (if you have the optional DOS under UNIX software). > Also, Unix is just a better environment than DOS anyway. One of my goals > is to help my girlfriend learn more about computers and programming. DOS > seems woefully inadequate and totally non-standard to be able to do > anything "right". Also there is more market appeal for someone who knows > Unix. DOS non-standard? Although being stuck with a 640K address space isn't exactly the nicest thought, remember that there are literally millions of copies of DOS running every day throughout the world. Gonna be a long time before UNIX gets to that stage. Besides, with a compiler like Turbo-C you can write code that is relatively if not completely transportable from DOS to UNIX and vice-versa. There are even UNIX tools and UNIX environments, including one with a full-blown Korn Shell, for DOS (the MKS Toolkit in particular). I like UNIX better than DOS myself, but there is a lot of software and challenge left in the DOS world. Many more really useful "tools" for everyday use are available, too. That's why I run Interactive UNIX and VP/IX on my machine (sometime just native DOS, too). Zeke -- ~~~~~~~~~~~ From the Shrine of the "Last Gasp of ETA Systems" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Extra zesty disclaimer: MINE! MINE! ALL MINE! Robert K. "Zeke" Scott internet: zeke@eta.cdc.com Control Data Corp, Supercomputer Support Group