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From: guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: OSF statements about OPEN LOOK
Message-ID: <4026@auspex.auspex.com>
Date: 5 Sep 90 18:56:08 GMT
References: <9009041647.AA24685@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara
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>Sun claims that XView conforms to the ICCCM conventions and I have found
>no evidence of any ICCCM violations.

Well, I have - XView doesn't support INCR properties.  I don't know
whether this is an official violation, but 1) the ICCCM doesn't appear
to say support of them is optional, and 2) even if it *is* optional, not
supporting them can be annoying if you want to cut and paste a
sufficiently large chunk of text.  I've filed a bug report on this.

Also, there's a bug in XView where it gives the TARGETS target a type
atom of TARGETS rather than ATOM; a bug report+fix has been sent in
about this.

>"Dependence on proprietary protocols requires the presence of the 
>OPEN LOOK window manager for proper operation of OPEN LOOK applications.
>This dependence can hinder the ability of OPEN LOOK clients to work with
>other clients to work with other clients on heterogenous networks." (p11)

Does Motif have its own protocols for communication between Motif
clients and "mwm"?  If so, then unless support for those protocols is
less necessary for Motif clients than support for the OL protocols is
for OL clients, this would appear to be a case of the pot calling the
kettle black.

>"... the OPEN LOOK toolkits, NDE, XView and Xt+, are proprietary to
>individual, for-profit organizations." (p12)

Hmm.  Does this mean that OSF isn't an individual organization, that OSF
isn't a for-profit organization, or that Motif isn't proprietary to the
OSF?  (Even if it isn't a for-profit organization, its main members sure
are....)