Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mitech!gjc From: gjc@mitech.com Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: Why do so many "great" people dislike X? Message-ID: <4874@mitech.com> Date: 5 Sep 90 16:36:51 GMT References: <9009041354.AA03267@armory> <1990Sep4.202433.19653@wrl.dec.com> <1990Sep4.203701.18657@crl.dec.com> Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA Lines: 24 In article <1990Sep4.203701.18657@crl.dec.com>, jg@crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) writes: > ... To give you an idea of where > things were, the BLIT was roughly equivalent to an X terminal in many respects > (but not in others, as it did not provide network transparent access to > applications on other machines) and was working several years before we > started working on X. Was that before or after the availability of the BBN BITGRAPH? I had a BBN bitgraph at the MIT AI LAB around 1982, and was working on a LISP interface (from VAX-NIL). At the time LISP people at MIT were generally convinced that a graphics/window environment HAD to be in a VIRTUAL-MEMORY-MAPPED graphics buffer (like the Lispmachine). Some other LCS VAX hold-outs were putting their money/time into the VS-100 unibus/fiber-optic thing, but I figured that at 19.2KB using clever encodings a serial-line graphics terminal could do quite well keeping up with anything a VAX-750 could possibly throw at it. Quite possibly the BBN BITGRAPH was more primitive than the BLIT in its base software. The thing did support downloadable C code (68xxx using the circa-1981 MIT Chris-Terman C compiler no doubt) but for some reason MIT could never get BBN to *license* them the development system. (Maybe because BBN was at the same time selling it to the US government for megabucks). Typical story. -gjc