Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!govt.shearson.COM!fgreco From: fgreco@govt.shearson.COM (Frank Greco) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: Why do so many "great" people dislike X? Message-ID: <9009071813.AA04208@islanders.> Date: 7 Sep 90 18:13:19 GMT Sender: daemon@athena.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: The Internet Lines: 33 >I have a question for thos who dislike X: > > What have they developed thats better!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I have to agree that X windows is not a perfect piece of software engineering, but its the >best we currently have available that will work on almost any hardware. It is always >much easier to be a critic than it is to produce something thats better. > >My hat is off to those at MIT that have produced a usable window environment! It may not >be perfect, but can you claim that the code that you write is? Bill, The guys at MIT are doing a fantastic, if not unbelievable, job with X. No one, I believe, is criticizing their efforts. I think people are criticizing the X design philosophy, which anyone is entitled to do. ...heck, criticism happens every microsecond in every newsgroup on the net! ;-> As far as "better" (he says with a sly objective look on his face), have you looked at NeWS? Its available on almost as many platforms as X and is much more programmable (the server, that is) than X, and can inherently handle Postscript (ie., its *not* an extension). I might also add that one of Dennis Ritchie's colleagues, Rob Pike, who also dislikes X Window, (I'm paraphrasing here, but Rob was quoted as saying X was baroque and overly complicated) has invented some fundamental graphics algorithms that are used in practically all modern window systems and has developed several interesting window systems within AT&T Bell Labs. Please...I'm not trying to start window flames, but aren't we science folk supposed to question and criticize and opinionize? That's the nature of research. Frank G.