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From: ronald@robobar.co.uk (Ronald S H Khoo)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with MMDF and UUCP mail
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Date: 14 Sep 90 05:24:53 GMT
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In article <7927@gollum.twg.com> david@twg.com (David S. Herron) writes:

   [ I wrote ]
>> that the
>> current UUCP channel does not invoke uux with the
>> -aremote.domain!remote-user,

> in fact this is the first time
> I've ever heard of that option

Maybe *that*'s why the option isn't exercised :-)  Of course, for people like
me who don't have an MMDF source license, but only binary from SCO ... :-)
Ooops, actually I Steve K *did* write a license for my other site, so I suppose
that's my excuse gone -- damn :-)  Who's maintaining the uucp channel nowadays
anyway ?

> As to whether this is a problem?  Sendmail sites generally have the
> UUCP originator be `daemon' so I don't see how that's very different
> from MMDF sites having the originator be `mmdf'.  Can you explain further?

Erm.  I think I've had the From_ line be the -a user before in one weird
configuration once, but I can't remember what it was.  I do remember it
happening though, which is why I thought it was the asme problem as the
original poster's problem -- though I may be wrong on that point.

> But all the rmail's I've seen simply scan
> through From<space>'s and >From<space>'s and concatenate strings.  So
> where would this change be made?)

I can't remember how it happened,, though I think that the delivery was
done in a most peculiar way.  Sorry :-(  I can't make it happen anymore ...

>>BTW is the mmdf2@relay.cs.net list active ?

> Yes.. we've had a little discussion recently (this week)
> So, anyway.. yes, there's been some activity.  You should probably contact
> mmdf2-request@relay.cs.net again..

Sigh.  Perhaps I agitate for it to be gatewayed (one-way to avoid the wrath
of the MMDF workers :-) into a newsgroup :-)

> er.. ah.. I *am* an MMDF worker.

The only one I've ever seen in comp.mail :-) ? :-( ? 

>   MMDF assume
>   the ~/.signature file is suitable for the `phrase' part of the From:
>   line..  take a look at my .signature below ;-))

I've come across news posters that do that too :-(

>-- The traffic on the mailing list has never been heavy enough to justify
>   a newsgroup.

But having it there would inform bulk of MMDF using lurkers, which I think
would be valuable.  Other than in the UK, EUNet is generally against MMDF,
which I think is a shame.  I recently suggested that the new Egyptian
backbone should look at using MMDF (which *I* consider the only viable option
for use by beginner backbones) instead of smail 2.5, and people said
MMDF ? Uggggghhhhhh! or words to that effect.  Sigh.  Information about the
current mmdf work should help to keep the balance.  I don't really see people
using PP for quite a while yet -- I'd have to buy a new disc to unpack it :-)

>-- There is a generally low opinion of MMDF which, as far as I can tell,
>   derives from Olden Days when MMDF was truly buggy.

I was only a user in the days just about when MMDF II just came out, so I
guess I'm too young to remember the bad old buggy days :-)

>   the documentation which is a bit lacking (sigh) ..

And the sample tables which don't work at update #43 (flags=partial) Sigh.
But then again, UCL only distributes update #21 -- I know, I only got a
tape from them a couple of months ago :-(  Then again, that's what the UK
academic community use :-(

> comp.mail.misc is just as good a place as any to talk about MMDF.  If the
> traffic warrants we might just be able to wangle a newsgroup ;-).

We need a few more MMDF gurus.  One David Herron isn't
enough, really.  Anyone else volunteering to help answer questions ? I'll
volunteer to ask them :-) and I know a couple of others who would as well :-)
-- 
my .signature is on holiday