Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hacgate!janus!cws From: cws@janus.Quotron.com (Craig W. Shaver) Newsgroups: comp.software-eng Subject: Re: The De-Sovietization of the Software Industry Summary: agree++ Message-ID: <614@janus.Quotron.com> Date: 14 Sep 90 17:19:51 GMT References: <1183@ashton.UUCP> <1990Sep13.152836.24228@tc.fluke.COM> Organization: Quotron Systems Inc., Los Angeles Lines: 38 In article <1990Sep13.152836.24228@tc.fluke.COM>, kelpie@tc.fluke.COM (Tony Garland) writes: > In article ... ... > Languages such as c++ are examples where this most certainly will not > be true. Try taking a "cheap programmer" and getting something > useful out of c++. Experience has shown that with such languages > "the strong get going and the weak get lost". > > Of course there are those that would argue that c++ isn't really > a higher-level language. Maybe the creators of the language > had alterior motives (long term job security for software developers) > at heart? > > Sorry, I couldn't resist! ;-} > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tony Garland - John Fluke Mfg. Co. Inc., P.O. Box C9090, Everett, WA 98206 > kelpie@tc.fluke.COM | voice (206) 356-5268 | fax (206) 348 2661 Since first learning c++ I have felt that it is not a good answer to the need for delivering quality software in a timely fashion. You must have very well qualified (and highly paid) programmers to at least develop the basic tool sets. c++ appears to me to have the potential for introducing more problems than it alleviates. If you follow the various c++ news groups you will find the participants arguing about complex and arcane facits of the language. I think they have lost sight of the real goal -- developing software for end users. Smalltalk is much closer to what is needed. The c++ people need to rediscover the reasons for using an object oriented approach. Craig W. Shaver ================================================================ Quotron Systems Inc. | Phone: (213) 302-4247 5454 Beethoven Street | uucp: hacgate!janus!cws Post Office Box 66914 | craig@tradr2.quotron.com Los Angeles, CA 90066 | ================================================================