Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uunet!decwrl!bacchus.pa.dec.com!granite.pa.dec.com!mwm From: mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: 24 Bit Video .. Message-ID: Date: 18 Sep 90 16:12:59 GMT References: <26f592d2-2c05comp.sys.amiga@tronsbox.xei.com> Sender: news@wrl.dec.com (News) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 74 In-Reply-To: tron1@tronsbox.xei.com's message of 18 Sep 90 06:00:39 GMT In article <26f592d2-2c05comp.sys.amiga@tronsbox.xei.com> tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (HIM) writes: Well, completely aside from this months round of MB postings and the knee jerk flames they cause I have a few questions to ask .. WHY IS IT THAT MOST OF THE FOLKS HERE ARE WORKING SO HARD TO KILL THE AMIGA IN VIDEO ? None of them are trying to kill the Amiga in video. They're just tired of MB's whining. He admits that he's been doing it for years. First, he's screaming for video that can't be done. It's explained that it can't be done, and why, and how it's going to be fixed in the future. He keeps screaming about it. Now, the solutions are starting to appear (just as predicted), and he's screaming that they aren't good enough, and that he wants it *NOW*, not whenever it's going to be available. It's explained that this can't be done, and why, and how it's going to be fixed in the future. He keeps screaming about it. Seriously , jesus .. are the majority of folks on this net so short sighted that they can't see past NTSC ?? No, but most of us are far sighted enough to realize that NTSC is a critical part of low-end Amigas, and that software compatability across the line is critical to the Amiga. We also realize that giving up either of those would be a _bad_ thing. Far worse than than not having an 800x600x8 mode. 24 Bit still frame video is a GREAT boon to most of us that do 3D world realization programming (ray tracing and the like) ... we are ALREADY not producing real time frames, so an additional few seconds gfor the frame buffer attachment is not a problem. So why is it that every time ANYONE says "we would like better Amiga video" 8000 people say "Why ???? What we have is enough". Right ... you know , i remember wayyyyy back when the Mac folks said "but B&W is enough".... Because for the majority of people, what's there _is_ good enough. The world will move to better standads, and it'll stop being good enough. But jumping to it as a base to soon requires sacrificing either software compatability, or raising the price on the "low-end" Amiga. I can produce 24-bit deep images on the Amiga. I just can't display them on it. You can't live with that - go buy one of the deep frame buffers that are starting to appear. That's they best way it can be, without seriously breaking something. The last thing I expected from most of the poeple that had the IQ to buy an Amiga was that lame "why bother -- it's good enough" trash. You misquoted most of them. It's "why bother - it's good enough for now, those who need better can buy it, and it'll be better later". MAKE IT BETTER. You really want better - go buy it. But don't force the rest of us (for whom it's good enough) to pay for it at the same time. Worse yet, don't kill sales at the low-end by raising the price. Maybe it won't be supported by every program , thats too bad but lets not all just sit here and say "welp, we all will just wait for C= to make it just right!" .... we need a good, 800x600x256 at MINIMUM , 24BIt as a goal still frame board that can control a single frame video recorder. Go buy it. It's there. Of course, it's going to have the problems you pointed out. That's why some of us are willing to wait for C= to make it just right - because we'd rather have it right later than wrong now and forever.