Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!porthos.rutgers.edu!marsella From: marsella@porthos.rutgers.edu (Stacy Marsella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Rumors aren't rumors anymore Summary: who said bundled? Message-ID: Date: 17 Sep 90 14:27:45 GMT References: <7245@milton.u.washington.edu> <8084@helios.TAMU.EDU> <1990Sep13.164117.11003@svc.portal.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 36 In article <1990Sep13.164117.11003@svc.portal.com>, moose@svc.portal.com writes: > In article ... marsella writes .. > >...EVEN our MACII's have a decent Common Lisp ... > > > >We too relied on having Common Lisp on our NeXT machine. Without it, > >we are severely restricted and can no longer run our AI system on the > >NeXT. Ports to other languages or even other dialects of lisp are > >simply not plausible at this juncture. Without Common Lisp (preferably > >Franz's), we will have to move completely to our SPARC'S. > > > > Give me a break!!! > > Are you now claiming that your MACII's come bundled with common lisp? > Nobody said you could not get LISP for it, just that you aren't forced to pay > for it if you don't want it. If you are basing your entire platform on what > bundled software comes with the machine, you have some serious problems. > > Michael Rutman I clearly did not mention bundling or expectations thereof! Common Lisp was purchased for all our platforms BUT the NeXT! And what is this "Are you now claiming ..."; I have made no previous claims or posts on this subject (the only previous post I made to this newsgroup that comes to mind was a question on the subject of SCSI interfacing and that was months ago?) My concern is getting a Common Lisp that has decent hooks into the NeXT software and hardware environment. In particular, those aspects of the NeXT that make it special and distinct from our Sparcs. (IB,DSP,..) Now if Franz is going to consider the NeXT as a serious platform for further development and sales of Common Lisp, I will be happy (but, given unboundling, poorer). But, it is worrisome given the relatively small installed base of NeXTs and the loss of a direct deal with NeXT (i.e. bundling).